WTF is the Sends doing...
- Fruitcakenipple

I dunno.... funny that Ryan gets left off Team USA though because he doesn't bring intensity or play "tough", and then goes and poop-kicks someone for a cheap shot...

I think Kapanen is definitely expendable... (add in)

and

Nylander could be used for a #2 dman (we have enough wingers)

Very sad news to hear about Jose Fernendez. The guy was a great ball player and if you read up on his life story he seems like a fantastic guy of the field. He will be missed. RIP

Ron Thugnutt ‏@TomSENS 30m30 minutes ago
Wow. Bobby Ryan just beat the poop out of Patrick Seiloff for hitting MacArthur from behind.

Ron Thugnutt ‏@TomSENS 27m27 minutes ago
Ryan grabbed Sieloff and beat him up. Screamed “YOU (frank)ING IDIOT” after they got broken up.


Remember that MacA has suffered badly with concussion this past year
- lumlums

Pretty poopty for MacArthur hopefully he is okay!

I think Kapanen is definitely expendable... (add in)

and

Nylander could be used for a #2 dman (we have enough wingers)
- mr.sir

Rather not trade Nylander til Leafs know what they have in him.

Rather not trade Nylander til Leafs know what they have in him.
- ClarksonDavid

then how are we getting that #2 dman to play w/ Rielly?

then how are we getting that #2 dman to play w/ Rielly?
- mr.sir

suck and draft one.

then how are we getting that #2 dman to play w/ Rielly?
- mr.sir

Wait and see if they can develop one. Could be Zaitsev or Carrick, could be Nielsen, Loov, or Dermott. They may need to acquire one later, but they have the luxury of time for now.

Rather not trade Nylander til Leafs know what they have in him.
- ClarksonDavid

It would suck!but I would trade Nylander for lindholm for sure ,lindholm is just what we need, especially with the teams speed that were building, you won't get a defenseman like that unless you tank!or get flukey lol

Gardiner/Kapanen/2nd

then how are we getting that #2 dman to play w/ Rielly?
- mr.sir

Same way everyone else has one. The draft

Gardiner/Kapanen/2nd
- iTOLDu

I would keep gards = paul coffey 2.0

Same way everyone else has one. The draft
- walshyleafsfan

Seems people think the Leafs are done with the drafting part of the rebuild.

Seems people think the Leafs are done with the drafting part of the rebuild.
- BetterCallSaul

We're now on the cusp. Let's just trade away our prospects we spent 18 months acquiring before we even know what we have in them.

People just love a trade for a trade's sake

Seems people think the Leafs are done with the drafting part of the rebuild.
- BetterCallSaul

not done but why draft so many forwards? why draft over agers? i obviously dont know what management is thinking but they are stock piling quicker developing forwards for the d assets they want to get. d takes longer. when u draft u might not see contribution for 3-5 years.

Same way everyone else has one. The draft
- walshyleafsfan

Easier said than done

We're now on the cusp. Let's just trade away our prospects we spent 18 months acquiring before we even know what we have in them.

People just love a trade for a trade's sake
- walshyleafsfan

theres an argument to be made some guys will never be worth more than they are now. good management knows who to trade away and for

not done but why draft so many forwards? why draft over agers? i obviously dont know what management is thinking but they are stock piling quicker developing forwards for the d assets they want to get. d takes longer. when u draft u might not see contribution for 3-5 years.
- Shteven

This!..that's why I'm for trading for a young elite defenseman if not then ,they must draft and develop, so 3to5 years then!without another elite defenseman, 3to5 5 years is the time table

not done but why draft so many forwards? why draft over agers? i obviously dont know what management is thinking but they are stock piling quicker developing forwards for the d assets they want to get. d takes longer. when u draft u might not see contribution for 3-5 years.
- Shteven

I think the Leafs just draft the player they think projects to be the best NHLer, which is smart for a team in their position. They have some good forwards and seem to need defence, I agree. But like you said defence takes longer to develop, so we may have that top pairing defenceman already. You see guys like Keith, Parayko, Klingberg, Barrie, Subban, etc. Defence picked after the first round that took some time to get to the NHL, but made an impact when they got there.

We're now on the cusp. Let's just trade away our prospects we spent 18 months acquiring before we even know what we have in them.

People just love a trade for a trade's sake
- walshyleafsfan

If managment believes this is the guy who can be Riellys partner in the first pairing then they will go hard after him. I value Marner/Nylander more than him so I wouldn't trade them. but the leafs have too many forward prospects so there is a starting point there

I think the Nielsen kid looks like a quality NHL defenceman in the making.

I think the Leafs just draft the player they think projects to be the best NHLer, which is smart for a team in their position. They have some good forwards and seem to need defence, I agree. But like you said defence takes longer to develop, so we may have that top pairing defenceman already. You see guys like Keith, Parayko, Klingberg, Barrie, Subban, etc. Defence picked after the first round that took some time to get to the NHL, but made an impact when they got there.
- BetterCallSaul

I agree. i'm not denying they may not already think they have some top 4 guys. I'm pretty sure they think dermott and loov are those guys. Maybe i value trouba more than they do.... Babcock wanted hanifin ahead of marner (we're supposed to believe) because he would be that big 20+ minute horse with offensive ability. Isn't that supposed to be trouba?

I think the Nielsen kid looks like a quality NHL defenceman in the making.
- BetterCallSaul

Agreed. I think we all right off any defensmen we draft that's not in the 1st round of becoming a top pairing defensmen.

He has the tools. He just has to translate it.

I agree. i'm not denying they may not already think they have some top 4 guys. I'm pretty sure they think dermott and loov are those guys. Maybe i value trouba more than they do.... Babcock wanted hanifin ahead of marner (we're supposed to believe) because he would be that big 20+ minute horse with offensive ability. Isn't that supposed to be trouba?
- Shteven

Like I said earlier, if we're spending assets to get a defenceman I would rather trade for Lindolm from Anaheim. I just don't know if Trouba could keep up with the speed this team is building up.

Like I said earlier, if we're spending assets to get a defenceman I would rather trade for Lindolm from Anaheim. I just don't know if Trouba could keep up with the speed this team is building up.
- BetterCallSaul

I'm all for using assets for a defencemen.... lindholm preferrably but they aren't going to play 2 lhd together that often. Babcock has always said he doesn't want it.

I also think getting a guy who can be put in right now let guys like dermott and loov to develop. If those guys end up being like parayko it never hurts to have too much talent and be able to trade a guy like shattenkirk when he gets too expensive (or close to it)