The problem is the oilers have already set the bar for the cost of a young RHD with an upside.... And that price was Taylor Hall. What's it going to cost to get Trouba, who many feel has a higher ceiling than even Larson

So it is not a defendable claim, but you defend it.

Then follow it up with conjecture.
- McSavioursPupil

I really didn't. You're awful at reading.

And then offered conjecture based on observations from the previous season. Didn't realize conjecture wasn't allowed around here. What? It's a discussion about acquiring Jacob Trouba? Hmm

The problem is the oilers have already set the bar for the cost of a young RHD with an upside.... And that price was Taylor Hall. What's it going to cost to get Trouba, who many feel has a higher ceiling than even Larson
- Justman1000

Like I just said, these deals are completely different in situation. Larsson hadn't asked for a trade, was already on a long-term, cap-friendly contract, and was the first Dman Edmonton acquired to fill their gaping hole (desperation was on high). None of those are the case this time.

Sekera and draisaitl both playing well

I really didn't. You're awful at reading.

And then offered conjecture based on observations from the previous season. Didn't realize conjecture wasn't allowed around here. What? It's a discussion about acquiring Jacob Trouba? Hmm
- fry

Ya? Well...you are awful at having a face...

but more seriously...

I asked iggy to explain how Trouba was better than Larsson at defense (a claim he made), you stepped in with examples to defend the claim, and in the next sentence said that you cannot show how one is better than the other.

Logic must be new concept to you, or is it making points?

As for the conjecture part, you were sayin that the Oil needed to get Trouba, or another Dman that will play gritty, because Nurse may get injured, yet nothing shows Nurse as having a large injury history.

All you guys got was McIlrath and a 2nd


http://www.tsn.ca/jets-d-trouba-traded-to-rangers-1.573086
- Reveen.

hahaha you got me!

If Trouba is seriously asking for 6-7M I'd be very wary of giving up valuable assets to acquire a future problem.

You guys can argue about Trouba/Larsson all day but when you factor in the cap hits (assuming what was mentioned above) it is not even close.

If Trouba ends up signing for long term around 5M than everything I've said is moot.

Oil need to manage their cap in a smart way going forward and with Larsson and Klefbom's contracts they have set themselves up well for just that. The last thing they need is to (frank) all of that up by offering Trouba 6.7M or whatever he is apparently asking for.
- RonPielep

I doubt that Trouba is actually asking for 6-7mill. The media usually loves to add their own twist on certain things. Plus, the statement made by the agent and Trouba only strengthens the case that money wasn't an issue and that it was all about how much time Trouba would play on the right side, which makes sense since WPG has Byfuglien and Myers ahead of Trouba on the right side.

I can easily see Trouba signing a 5mill per for 4-5 years deal with even cap distribution or a 5/6m per for 6 years with heavy cap distribution early on (6/7mil first 3 years and 4/5m last 3 years) if he does want extra money early on. Long term wise, both deals are structured well.

Someone mentioned Nurse, 2nd for Trouba, 1st. That is one of the best ways to go since it can open up some room for our LHD prospects (LaLeggia, Oesterle, and now an "established" NHL'er Davidson).

The other way is sending one of our forwards in exchange for Trouba. I would bet my money on seeing Ebs going the other way in exchange for Trouba +. This could be a good thing for Yak since we might actually see him bloom in a top 6 role, hopefully. But then again, it places a heavy gamble on whether Yak will finally break out.

Like I just said, these deals are completely different in situation. Larsson hadn't asked for a trade, was already on a long-term, cap-friendly contract, and was the first Dman Edmonton acquired to fill their gaping hole (desperation was on high). None of those are the case this time.
- MaximumBone

if you think for a second that trouba's value is going to be reduced because its public that he's asked for a trade you're crazy! Chevy is one of the more patient gm's in the nhl and sometimes it drives even myself crazy. I think you'll see him be patient on moving trouba. Hell, they might even decide to more Myers instead (unlikely but possible). If and when Trouba is moved you'll be as surprised as when chevy moved Evander Kane for a kings ransom.

if you think for a second that trouba's value is going to be reduced because its public that he's asked for a trade you're crazy! Chevy is one of the more patient gm's in the nhl and sometimes it drives even myself crazy. I think you'll see him be patient on moving trouba. Hell, they might even decide to more Myers instead (unlikely but possible). If and when Trouba is moved you'll be as surprised as when chevy moved Evander Kane for a kings ransom.
- JetsAvs

You guys need attacking depth and LHD depth (other than morrissey or how ever you spell his name).

Choose your package/deal out of these players. I want to gauge what your perspective is on Trouba's value.

Nurse, 1st, 2nd, Ebs, Yak, Davidson, and Pulj.

I doubt that Trouba is actually asking for 6-7mill. The media usually loves to add their own twist on certain things. Plus, the statement made by the agent and Trouba only strengthens the case that money wasn't an issue and that it was all about how much time Trouba would play on the right side, which makes sense since WPG has Byfuglien and Myers ahead of Trouba on the right side.

I can easily see Trouba signing a 5mill per for 4-5 years deal with even cap distribution or a 5/6m per for 6 years with heavy cap distribution early on (6/7mil first 3 years and 4/5m last 3 years) if he does want extra money early on. Long term wise, both deals are structured well.

Someone mentioned Nurse, 2nd for Trouba, 1st. That is one of the best ways to go since it can open up some room for our LHD prospects (LaLeggia, Oesterle, and now an "established" NHL'er Davidson).



The other way is sending one of our forwards in exchange for Trouba. I would bet my money on seeing Ebs going the other way in exchange for Trouba +. This could be a good thing for Yak since we might actually see him bloom in a top 6 role, hopefully. But then again, it places a heavy gamble on whether Yak will finally break out.
- EdmHockeyMan

We'd be adding the bigger piece to nurse for JT alone. Not the other way around


Maybe if we added a first/ they add a 2nd, but even then I doubt it

Nurse and a first

Trouba and a 3rd

We'd be adding the bigger piece to nurse for JT alone. Not the other way around


Maybe if we added a first/ they add a 2nd, but even then I doubt it

Nurse and a first

Trouba and a 3rd
- HB77

I see your point, Nurse had higher value the year before so I was kind of going by that.

I was kind of thinking if WPG would want Yak as part of the deal in stead of a pick from us.

Like a Nurse, Yak for Trouba, 1st? Probably wouldn't work, but that woudl give WPG what they need, defensive prospects on the LH side and a possible, but highly unlikely supernova from Yak.

I see your point, Nurse had higher value the year before so I was kind of going by that.

I was kind of thinking if WPG would want Yak as part of the deal in stead of a pick from us.

Like a Nurse, Yak for Trouba, 1st? Probably wouldn't work, but that woudl give WPG what they need, defensive prospects on the LH side and a possible, but highly unlikely supernova from Yak.
- EdmHockeyMan

Forgetting the trade/contract etc

Trouba has far higher value than either right now.

Maybe both for him and a low value throw in . But not a first


If we got offered trouba and a 2nd for nurse and 1st- we jump at it

hahaha you got me!
- JetsAvs

All you guys got was McIlrath and a 2nd


http://www.tsn.ca/jets-d-trouba-traded-to-rangers-1.573086
- Reveen.

Very interesting deal indeed... Seems to be quite back-loaded.

Go Europe !

You guys need attacking depth and LHD depth (other than morrissey or how ever you spell his name).

Choose your package/deal out of these players. I want to gauge what your perspective is on Trouba's value.

Nurse, 1st, 2nd, Ebs, Yak, Davidson, and Pulj.
- EdmHockeyMan

puljujarvi for trouba straight up.

Very interesting deal indeed... Seems to be quite back-loaded.
- laughs2907

Upon 2nd review it appears that the return is quite heavy.

if you think for a second that trouba's value is going to be reduced because its public that he's asked for a trade you're crazy! Chevy is one of the more patient gm's in the nhl and sometimes it drives even myself crazy. I think you'll see him be patient on moving trouba. Hell, they might even decide to more Myers instead (unlikely but possible). If and when Trouba is moved you'll be as surprised as when chevy moved Evander Kane for a kings ransom.
- JetsAvs

Yeah the Oilers thought the same thing with Pronger. We are talking Trouba here, not Pronger. Trouba has no contract and a public trade demand.

So why would would any GM trying to land Trouba do WPG any favors ? Most GMs are lawyers and they get giddy when someone is as bent over as WPG is right now. They could move Myers but they know Trouba wants out. Again that puts WPG behind the 8 ball.

The second Trouba went public WPG was screwed. No one needs to trade for him but WPG needs to move him or someone else to accommodate Trouba.

GL getting a better return than Hall for Larsson.

Upon 2nd review it appears that the return is quite heavy.
- Reveen.

Yeah the Oilers thought the same thing with Pronger. We are talking Trouba here, not Pronger. Trouba has no contract and a public trade demand.

So why would would any GM trying to land Trouba do WPG any favors ? Most GMs are lawyers and they get giddy when someone is as bent over as WPG is right now. They could move Myers but they know Trouba wants out. Again that puts WPG behind the 8 ball.

The second Trouba went public WPG was screwed. No one needs to trade for him but WPG needs to move him or someone else to accommodate Trouba.

GL getting a better return than Hall for Larsson.
- SmythForMayor

There's a few things that make wpg's position a tad weaker, ie; trade demand/apparent high salary demand

But at the end of the day he's a young bluechip right shooting defender. Those are highly coveted and tough to come by.
Teams will lineup to acquire him and wpg will get a quality asset in return regardless of their perceived weakness

A lot of Canadian teams drooling but does Trouba want to play in Canada? By right side does he mean of the border?
- Thorny87

He'd prefer an American city on the right side. Obviously, a Trump supporter.

Go Europe !
- HB77

puljujarvi for trouba straight up.
- JetsAvs

If Trouba were signed up for a few years to a decent contract then I would consider this. But he not so I can't. Right after RH D the Oilers biggest need is on the RW.

So this is your new mascot.



I think the wussycat suits you guys rather well.

So this is your new mascot.



I think the wussycat suits you guys rather well.


- DuranDuran

Yeah well our mascot could kick the poop outa your female dog!