A lot of Canadian teams drooling but does Trouba want to play in Canada? By right side does he mean of the border?

Larsson playing top pair with Greene last year in a defensive system.

Trouba playing third pair with nobodies. Yet still almost the same quality of competition.

Apples and oranges. Trouba is a way better player.
- Iggysbff

So buff and Myers were fed easy competition?

What are troubas defensive metrics in relation to Larsson?

As I've mentioned, I'll concede from the little I know that trouba appears to be a far more dynamic player. But I'm much more concerned at what larsson looks like without the puck and breaking the forecheck night after night.
A defensive conscience to ease the pressure on klefbom could be key for us

Love how much EdmHockey has fallen in love with Larsson and his stats since the trade. If only we would do a bit of selective research so we could see the light!

Trouba is better in the corners and can clear the front a lot better. Larsson is gonna provide more consistency and probably get injured less. Both players do various things better than the other. Hot takes.

Wonder if Eberle for Trouba has been discussed..

Larsson-Trouba as 2nd defensive pairing.

Larsson playing top pair with Greene last year in a defensive system.

Trouba playing third pair with nobodies. Yet still almost the same quality of competition.

Apples and oranges. Trouba is a way better player.
- Iggysbff

It was proven (my numbers) that Greene benefited more from playing with Larsson than the other way around.

You're a (frank)ing moron.
- Iggysbff

Good job on strengthening my point. Man, you really are the definition of a dumbass and bumhole all bound in one.

Love how much EdmHockey has fallen in love with Larsson and his stats since the trade. If only we would do a bit of selective research so we could see the light!

Trouba is better in the corners and can clear the front a lot better. Larsson is gonna provide more consistency and probably get injured less. Both players do various things better than the other. Hot takes.

Wonder if Eberle for Trouba has been discussed..

Larsson-Trouba as 2nd defensive pairing.
- fry

It's not selective research at all if the person gathers research from all aspects involved. Good job on weakening your point.

Also, in other posts, I did mention that giving up Hall was still a big price point. I'm almost certain that a different deal could have worked out to get Larsson, but what can we do about.

I don't see Eberle being send since we are a tad bit weak on the right side when it comes to assurity (only ebs has truly assured us that he is a top 6 player). Pulj mgiht, but who knows.

Love how much EdmHockey has fallen in love with Larsson and his stats since the trade. If only we would do a bit of selective research so we could see the light!

Trouba is better in the corners and can clear the front a lot better. Larsson is gonna provide more consistency and probably get injured less. Both players do various things better than the other. Hot takes.

Wonder if Eberle for Trouba has been discussed..

Larsson-Trouba as 2nd defensive pairing.
- fry

I'd assume Larsson's gonna be facing all the best competition on the top pairing with klefbom.
While trouba would be on the right side with sekera on the 2nd pairing

3rd would be someone with Davidson (I gotta think the only way the trade gets done from both perspectives would be nurse + going. What the plus is I have no idea)

As far as ebs, not sure it's wise to weaken our offensive depth even Furthur after letting hall go. Plus, that would leave yaks and puljujarvi as our go to guys in that side. not sure another winger is what the jets want either. A lhd would be my guess

It was proven (my numbers) that Greene benefited more from playing with Larsson than the other way around.
- laughs2907

Lol. And by Tanners numbers Jake Gardiner and Cody Franson are two of the elite defense men in the Nhl. I mean Gardiner is better than Larsson by those numbers...must be true!

Pardon my ignorance but since Trouba is a RFA don't the jets just get draft picks based on the contact he signs with his new team? Why not just do that?
- Krushelniski

We could, but do we really want to get into that ugly aspect of Hockey?

Worst case scenario from that could be teams hammering out a 13m per year contract for McDavid (god forbid) if the time comes... jsut because we "stole" a player from them.

It's not selective research at all if the person gathers research from all aspects involved. Good job on weakening your point.

Also, in other posts, I did mention that giving up Hall was still a big price point. I'm almost certain that a different deal could have worked out to get Larsson, but what can we do about.

I don't see Eberle being send since we are a tad bit weak on the right side when it comes to assurity (only ebs has truly assured us that he is a top 6 player). Pulj mgiht, but who knows.
- EdmHockeyMan

If anyone else could've landed larsson, it would've been done .

Lol. And by Tanners numbers Jake Gardiner and Cody Franson are two of the elite defense men in the Nhl. I mean Gardiner is better than Larsson by those numbers...must be true!
- Iggysbff

Tanner's an idiot because he uses stats blindly.

There has to be a tale or element of background context to the stats in order to even make them useful at all.

By Tanner's logic, Fayne is a top 2 defender for crying out loud.

We could, but do we really want to get into that ugly aspect of Hockey?

Worst case scenario from that could be teams hammering out a 13m per year contract for McDavid (god forbid) if the time comes... jsut because we "stole" a player from them.
- EdmHockeyMan

This is assuming an offer sheet

Why do that when you can offer less for a guy that already wants out?

Larsson = Hjalmarsson

Trouba = Seabrook

Lol. And by Tanners numbers Jake Gardiner and Cody Franson are two of the elite defense men in the Nhl. I mean Gardiner is better than Larsson by those numbers...must be true!
- Iggysbff

How manyy points did crosby, ovechkin and other top players have when they faced larsson last year?

Larsson = Hjalmarsson

Trouba = Seabrook
- Iggysbff

Interesting comparisons

And probably not entirely skewed either. Especially since by the defensive metrics alone, hjalmarsson is the superior defender I think (when seabrook isn't paired with Keith at least)
But in terms of actual in game impact, we know that not to be true.

I'm hoping larsson has abit more to his game than NH, but even if he didn't, hjalmarssons a super solid defender

If anyone else could've landed larsson, it would've been done .
- HB77

I think so too, but the trade for just hall didn't make sense (Other than from just an attacking and speed type of perspective).

NJ could have built a better deal structurally that would have benefited them as a team instead of just acquiring a superstar.

A combo of Ebs (Especially after getting Pulj), davidson, Pouliot, and/or RNH would have been better structurally for NJ. I could have personally seen Ebs, Pouliot, and Davidson going to NJ, then with the signing of Lucic, you'd be looking at Ebs/Pouliot/Davidson for Lucic/Larsson. Now that would be damn good.

I think so too, but the trade for just hall didn't make sense (Other than from just an attacking and speed type of perspective).

NJ could have built a better deal structurally that would have benefited them as a team instead of just acquiring a superstar.

A combo of Ebs (Especially after getting Pulj), davidson, Pouliot, and/or RNH would have been better structurally for NJ. I could have personally seen Ebs, Pouliot, and Davidson going to NJ, then with the signing of Lucic, you'd be looking at Ebs/Pouliot/Davidson for Lucic/Larsson. Now that would be damn good.
- EdmHockeyMan

I think shero flat out stated it was hall or he wasn't dealing larsson To us.
He didn't want to trade him, but said he couldn't pass up someone of halls stature

Whether it was lip service to make the trade seem more reasonable or not im not sure. But it sounded as though he was very high on larsson and wasnt even really considering dealing him before that deal came along

Interesting comparisons

And probably not entirely skewed either

I'm hoping larsson has abit more to his game than that, but even if he didn't, hjalmarssons a super solid defender
- HB77

Larsson does have more to his game

He was primarily focused on his defensive game last year but it was clear towards the end of the season when the devils were out that they wanted him to open his game up more offensively and you can see that he has more offense than he has shown, he has the instincts on when to jump up

He will never be a karlsson and doesn't have a rocket of a shot but he has a very deflectable shot that gets through

He got almost no PP time

He will be very steady in the D end and will relieve preasure, it will take him a few games to adapt to a new team and the west coast style but once he is comfortable you will realize he is very good at what he does and I think people will look back and say the trade wasnt as bad as people made it out to be

trouba for Puljujarvi

don't hate me oil fans, I think its a fair deal.

Larsson does have more to his game

He was primarily focused on his defensive game last year but it was clear towards the end of the season when the devils were out that they wanted him to open his game up more offensively and you can see that he has more offense than he has shown, he has the instincts on when to jump up

He will never be a karlsson and doesn't have a rocket of a shot but he has a very deflectable shot that gets through

He got almost no PP time

He will be very steady in the D end and will relieve preasure, it will take him a few games to adapt to a new team and the west coast style but once he is comfortable you will realize he is very good at what he does and I think people will look back and say the trade wasnt as bad as people made it out to be
- dmarsden2988

Good post.
Sure hope you're right !
Amd I do like larsson. Wanted him over nuge in 2011.
But can't say I've seen a ton of him recently.

I'm not as low on the trade as some fans, but it's worrisome to say the least. And while I think there's a possibility it could work out to make us a much bette team, we certainly lost the trade on face value. Hall is a truly elite forward

trouba for Puljujarvi

don't hate me oil fans, I think its a fair deal.
- JetsAvs

Doubt we do it (or even consider it) for a number of reasons

But on pure value- it's probably not entirely unfair at all


We'll say no just to be spiteful so you can't have both laine and pulju

I'd assume Larsson's gonna be facing all the best competition on the top pairing with klefbom.
While trouba would be on the right side with sekera on the 2nd pairing

3rd would be someone with Davidson (I gotta think the only way the trade gets done from both perspectives would be nurse + going. What the plus is I have no idea)

As far as ebs, not sure it's wise to weaken our offensive depth even Furthur after letting hall go. Plus, that would leave yaks and puljujarvi as our go to guys in that side. not sure another winger is what the jets want either. A lhd would be my guess
- HB77

Removing Eberle/Yak might be good for the team. Big holes in the lineup, but you'd be taking further steps away from a core that represented a very dark time in Oil Country.

Replace them with plugs that can backcheck better and see what becomes available with the TDL, draft, June 1st, Expansion Draft contingency plans, etc. in terms of offense. A lot of player movement coming this year..

Just my opinion though. Haha

Nurse developing in the shadow of Big Buff sounds like a pretty ideal path for him.. Would have to send some salary their way as well to accommodate the cap hit.

I think shero flat out stated it was hall or he wasn't dealing larsson To us.
He didn't want to trade him, but said he couldn't pass up someone of halls stature
- HB77

The problem with that is that GM's sometimes just say that.

Structurally, acquiring just Hall isn't enough to give NJ an immediate edge. Sure they might shift up the rankings by a few spots, but don't forget that they also lost Larsson. His defensive abilities helped NJ a lot.

If cap space was the problem, I'm sure that it could be solved if the deal was structured right.

Honestly, a deal that involves ebs, Pouliot, and Davidson all in one gives NJ transitional defensive play (davidson), attacking support (ebs), and positional structure (pouliot).

Acquiring just Hall is gerat since you can build around him, but that mgiht take a couple of years before NJ can actually compete for a playoff spot.

trouba for Puljujarvi

don't hate me oil fans, I think its a fair deal.
- JetsAvs

That cap hit though..

trouba for Puljujarvi

don't hate me oil fans, I think its a fair deal.
- JetsAvs

I actually can see this happening.