I've seen him play a lot, Larsson isn't a bad player...far from it. I also think Trouba would be a fantastic fit in Edmonton. The problem is with the prescient they set by trading Hall. All I'm saying is to land Trouba it's costing the Oilers a lot more than Nurse.
- Slipperypickle

Trouba not having a contract like Larsson's and that he's requested a trade helps a bit, though.

I've seen him play a lot, Larsson isn't a bad player...far from it. I also think Trouba would be a fantastic fit in Edmonton. The problem is with the prescient they set by trading Hall. All I'm saying is to land Trouba it's costing the Oilers a lot more than Nurse.
- Slipperypickle

Depends on what others are offering as well... I'd go Nurse + their 2nd for Trouba. I'd be willing to give Winnipeg a 3rd as well, if they'd take Yakupov.

Yes. He is. Hes a year and 4 months younger and has surpassed him in each of the past 3 years in offense and defense in a lesser role. Hes more physical and has more offense. Hes better.
- Iggysbff

Larsson is/has been in the top 3 in most advanced stats categories relating to defense (according to shot relative suppression in accordance to quality of competition and the amount of defensive starts given; the best indicators of defense), for the past 3 years.Plus if you actually see him play or know other people that do,then you'll realize that what you've just stated is plain wrong

As for offense, how about we see what Larsson can actually do when given an offensive opportunity like he was given in the Swedish league (He was a PP specialist and highly excelled at it). 70% of his zone starts last year were in the defensive zone...

Id honestly give up Nurse and our 1st for Trouba and a 2nd. And instant resolution to our D corps both short and long term doesn't come around often.
- MaximumBone

Solid deal.

You're right about the instant resolution concept as well.

If Chia doesn't do anything related to acquiring Trouba, or to even try to, that is honestly, from my point of view, worthy of being fired for not even doing his job. We need RHD desperately and we have plenty of LHD. Not to mention WPG would be/have been great partners to do business with since we both have and need what the other team needs and has.

It woudl be funny though to see hamonic being traded to WPG for Trouba though. That would be a great thing to talk about...

Solid deal.

You're right about the instant resolution concept as well.

If Chia doesn't do anything related to acquiring Trouba, or to even try to, that is honestly, from my point of view, worthy of being fired for not even doing his job. We need RHD desperately and we have plenty of LHD. Not to mention WPG would be/have been great partners to do business with since we both have and need what the other team needs and has.

It woudl be funny though to see hamonic being traded to WPG for Trouba though. That would be a great thing to talk about...
- EdmHockeyMan

I'm sure he'll explore the opportunity at least.

Larsson is/has been in the top 3 in most advanced stats categories relating to defense (according to shot relative suppression in accordance to quality of competition and the amount of defensive starts given; the best indicators of defense), for the past 3 years.Plus if you actually see him play or know other people that do,then you'll realize that what you've just stated is plain wrong

As for offense, how about we see what Larsson can actually do when given an offensive opportunity like he was given in the Swedish league (He was a PP specialist and highly excelled at it). 70% of his zone starts last year were in the defensive zone...
- EdmHockeyMan

I love this arguement yeah ive never seen the kid. Never watched since he was a prospect we were looking at drafting and have never watched since.

Likely have watched him far more than you.

Solid deal.

You're right about the instant resolution concept as well.

If Chia doesn't do anything related to acquiring Trouba, or to even try to, that is honestly, from my point of view, worthy of being fired for not even doing his job. We need RHD desperately and we have plenty of LHD. Not to mention WPG would be/have been great partners to do business with since we both have and need what the other team needs and has.

It woudl be funny though to see hamonic being traded to WPG for Trouba though. That would be a great thing to talk about...
- EdmHockeyMan

It would be a solid deal for both teams but then Hamonic would be in the exact same position as Trouba. Buried behind Myers and Byfuglien on the right side. They need a lefty. Enstrom is aging and is really all they have on that side.

I love this arguement yeah ive never seen the kid. Never watched since he was a prospect we were looking at drafting and have never watched since.
- Iggysbff

I'm glad you're finally admitting it. You'll see him this year

I love this arguement yeah ive never seen the kid. Never watched since he was a prospect we were looking at drafting and have never watched since.

Likely have watched him far more than you.
- Iggysbff

The fact that you said that Trouba was better just shows how little you've watched him play.

You won't fully admit that you're wrong until you see him actually play a game.

By then, you'll just say something else to tick us off.

I'm glad you're finally admitting it. You'll see him this year
- laughs2907

It would be a solid deal for both teams but then Hamonic would be in the exact same position as Trouba. Buried behind Myers and Byfuglien on the right side. They need a lefty. Enstrom is aging and is really all they have on that side.
- Ihatebrianburke

True, but the entire point is that I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about how Hamonic is having personal problems again, then how he will ask Snow for a trade once again. It would just go to show that Hamonic probably didn't want to end up in Edmonton at all.

Doesn't matter. The Leafs are going to get Trouba for Brown and Carrick...

Doesn't matter. The Leafs are going to get Trouba for Brown and Carrick...
- Iggysbff

Yes. He is. Hes a year and 4 months younger and has surpassed him in each of the past 3 years in offense and defense in a lesser role. Hes more physical and has more offense. Hes better.
- Iggysbff

Since Deboer has been fired, Larsson has actually been better.

Out of those 3 years, a year and a half were under Pete Deboer, who didn't like him and would find any excuse to bench him. However, if you are gonna compare the last year and a half, since January of 2015, when Larsson started on the top pair, then I think they are closing together or Larsson maybe even better.

Larsson(after Deboer was fired DEC 27)
46 games, 2 goals, 20 points(all even strength)
Out of 46 games, only 5 games he played less then 20 minutes
75 Hits(had 93 all season), 96 Blocks(had 124 all season)
70.5% defensive zone starts
TOI 1341.6 Total all season

2015-2016 Season
82 games, 3 goals, 18 points, 1 assist SH(17 even strength)
12 games Larsson played under 20 mintues per game
163 Hits, 148 Blocks
74.8% defensive zone start
1843.1 TOI all season

Larsson's career
274 GP in career, 9 goals, 69 points
38 points within the last year and a half, 37 even strength


Jacob Trouba
January 2015 to end of season
Trouba was injured, so Larsson played almost a month more starting from DEC 27
34 games played, 3 goals, 10 points, 9 points even strength
3 games played less then 20 minutes
55 Hits (97 hits all season), 55 blocks(120 blocks all season)
57.5% defensive zone starts
1514.9 total TOI all season

2015-2016
81 games, 6 goals, 21 points, 15 points even strength
17 games play under 20 minutes
144 Hits, 177 Blocks
56.3% defensive zone starts
1787.4 TOI total all season

Trouba's career
211 GP, 23 goals, 72 points
31 points since January 2015, 24 even strength

Trouba is better than Larsson.

Jets demands will be massive.
- Iggysbff

You high?

I don't understand why everyone is so high on Trouba. He's still a project. No different than Yakupov. If Winn would take Yak for him, do it

Nurse+ could work, too. Nurse looks more like a bust than a guarantee at this point
- AxlRose91

You musta missed his rookie year. He was fantastic.
Looked like a sure fire superstar. Has all the tools

Taken a step back abit over the last year, which is probably the only reason Winnipeg is balking on his demands and willing to consider moving him. Yak doesn't even start a conversation


Either way, the kid is the goods

The homers will never admit it...
- Iggysbff

More dynamic with a higher ceiling than larsson no doubt .
More effective offensively and moving the puck too.

But a straight shutdown minute eater that can handle all the tough comp going forward- I'm not so sure you're right.

We'll see

Dont see it being a good fit for the Jets. I'd think they want a legit top 4 dman, probably left shooting, to take Trouba's place, of which there should be plenty. Jets seem to be moving past the rebuild phase and will want to solidify the D rather than taking a gamble on a 1st rounder. The trade request will do little to lower Trouba's value, they'll get what they want for him however long it takes.

More dynamic with a higher ceiling than larsson no doubt .
More effective offensively and moving the puck too.

But a straight shutdown minute eater that can handle all the tough comp going forward- I'm not so sure you're right.

We'll see
- HB77

Check out my comment above about Larsson's offense.

Dont see it being a good fit for the Jets. I'd think they want a legit top 4 dman, probably left shooting, to take Trouba's place, of which there should be plenty. Jets seem to be moving past the rebuild phase and will want to solidify the D rather than taking a gamble on a 1st rounder. The trade request will do little to lower Trouba's value, they'll get what they want for him however long it takes.
- 13sundin13

If they're willing to wait- u might be right.

Not sure there's plenty of comparable dmen out there though

Nurse is a step back for them today for sure, but his ceiling is somewhat comparable and that's gotta be enticing

Check out my comment above about Larsson's offense.
- Devils9503

Interesting

Numbers don't lie I guess.
And admittedly I'm basing much of my offensive thoughts on him not getting a ton of opportunities in that regard. I assume there musta been a reason for that...?

I'm also basing some of my thoughts in watching trouba early in his career.
Like jaw droppingly good.
and much less so on his last season and half where he's stalled.

But as uve stated, the numbers are very comparable and maybe Larsson's offence being an afterthought is unfair

Since Deboer has been fired, Larsson has actually been better.

Out of those 3 years, a year and a half were under Pete Deboer, who didn't like him and would find any excuse to bench him. However, if you are gonna compare the last year and a half, since January of 2015, when Larsson started on the top pair, then I think they are closing together or Larsson maybe even better.

Larsson(after Deboer was fired DEC 27)
46 games, 2 goals, 20 points(all even strength)
Out of 46 games, only 5 games he played less then 20 minutes
75 Hits(had 93 all season), 96 Blocks(had 124 all season)
70.5% defensive zone starts
TOI 1341.6 Total all season

2015-2016 Season
82 games, 3 goals, 18 points, 1 assist SH(17 even strength)
12 games Larsson played under 20 mintues per game
163 Hits, 148 Blocks
74.8% defensive zone start
1843.1 TOI all season

Larsson's career
274 GP in career, 9 goals, 69 points
38 points within the last year and a half, 37 even strength


Jacob Trouba
January 2015 to end of season
Trouba was injured, so Larsson played almost a month more starting from DEC 27
34 games played, 3 goals, 10 points, 9 points even strength
3 games played less then 20 minutes
55 Hits (97 hits all season), 55 blocks(120 blocks all season)
57.5% defensive zone starts
1514.9 total TOI all season

2015-2016
81 games, 6 goals, 21 points, 15 points even strength
17 games play under 20 minutes
144 Hits, 177 Blocks
56.3% defensive zone starts
1787.4 TOI total all season

Trouba's career
211 GP, 23 goals, 72 points
31 points since January 2015, 24 even strength
- Devils9503

FINALLY a person who actually does his homework on the subject at hand before saying something that would make him look out of place... I'm looking at you Iggy.

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- EdmHockeyMan[/i

FINALLY a person who actually does his homework on the subject at hand before saying something that would make him look out of place... I'm looking at you Iggy.

You're a (frank)ing moron.

Interesting

Numbers don't lie I guess.
And admittedly I'm basing much of my offensive thoughts on him not getting a ton of opportunities in that regard. I assume there musta been a reason for that...?

I'm also basing some of my thoughts in watching trouba early in his career.
Like jaw droppingly good.
and much less so on his last season and half where he's stalled.

But as uve stated, the numbers are very comparable and maybe Larsson's offence being an afterthought is unfair
- HB77

Larsson playing top pair with Greene last year in a defensive system.

Trouba playing third pair with nobodies. Yet still almost the same quality of competition.

Apples and oranges. Trouba is a way better player.

Pardon my ignorance but since Trouba is a RFA don't the jets just get draft picks based on the contact he signs with his new team? Why not just do that?