Any package for Trouba would have to include a left shot dman

Drouin refused to show up to work, and bailed on his teammates. Trouba didn't. Not comparable situations.
- Steven_Seagull

Drouin refused to play in the AHL. Trouba is refusing to turn up to training camp in the NHL. What's not comparable here?? I can expand on the comparison if you need me to.

Drouin refused to play in the AHL. Trouba is refusing to turn up to training camp in the NHL. What's not comparable here?? I can expand on the comparison if you need me to.
- Aussiepenguin

Drouin had a contract , Trouba doesn't. the situations are completely different.

Drouin had a contract , Trouba doesn't. the situations are completely different.
- JetsAvs

Trouba is a RFA, technically he has a team, an organisation & commitment to them - even though as I said I'm actually in favour of these guys getting the best opportunity they can. Trouba is playing in the NHL & is guaranteed his place. He is asking for $ that I think everyone says is high? Drouin has a contract & is not looking for any more money at the moment nor holding out for more money. Drouin was looking for a place to further his development in the place that was/is best for him - does everyone agree he IS a NHL player?

Why should a RFA turn around & ask for a trade? What circumstances is it ok for a RFA to want out of the organisation he is in?

Trouba is a RFA, technically he has a team, an organisation & commitment to them - even though as I said I'm actually in favour of these guys getting the best opportunity they can. Trouba is playing in the NHL & is guaranteed his place. He is asking for $ that I think everyone says is high? Drouin has a contract & is not looking for any more money at the moment nor holding out for more money. Drouin was looking for a place to further his development in the place that was/is best for him - does everyone agree he IS a NHL player?

Why should a RFA turn around & ask for a trade? What circumstances is it ok for a RFA to want out of the organisation he is in?
- Aussiepenguin

I'm kind of undecided on what circumstance an rfa could request a trade and it be acceptable. In Trouba's case I do understand that the team is deep on the right side and he's not getting his fair share of ice time unless he shifts to the left side. He's a right shot though.... So is it fair that he asks for a bigger role on a team? like I said, I"m undecided but I think the jets will do ok moving him for another player or two.
However, as a restricted free agent (the key being free agent) he is free to sign anywhere. the situation is very similar to what ROR went through with the avs a few years ago. He ended up with an offer sheet, seems that Trouba doesn't want that as he believes the jets would match and he would be stuck somewhere that he doesn't feel he belongs.
The other option is for the jets to move Myers and his contract for a LHD and put Trouba on the 2nd line..... I have not seen that suggested anywhere but its a possibility.

It should be interesting watching this play out.

I'm kind of undecided on what circumstance an rfa could request a trade and it be acceptable. In Trouba's case I do understand that the team is deep on the right side and he's not getting his fair share of ice time unless he shifts to the left side. He's a right shot though.... So is it fair that he asks for a bigger role on a team? like I said, I"m undecided but I think the jets will do ok moving him for another player or two.
However, as a restricted free agent (the key being free agent) he is free to sign anywhere. the situation is very similar to what ROR went through with the avs a few years ago. He ended up with an offer sheet, seems that Trouba doesn't want that as he believes the jets would match and he would be stuck somewhere that he doesn't feel he belongs.
The other option is for the jets to move Myers and his contract for a LHD and put Trouba on the 2nd line..... I have not seen that suggested anywhere but its a possibility.

It should be interesting watching this play out.
- JetsAvs

As I said, I'm in favour of these RFA's wanting a better opportunity. But as I've said, & you have pointed out in Trouba's circumstance, the players are used however best fits the organisation they are in. Drouin was the exact same, he has now proved he is a NHL player (through injury), & wouldn't have, or wasn't getting, the opportunity to do so. Trouba wants to play RH D, Drouin wanted NHL time, both couldn't get/can't get so they asked to go somewhere they would/will. Players are pawns the organisations use to their advantage. They aren't too concerned with expediting development especially if it's going to cost them more. They will do that when it suits them best.

The 2 scenarios are very close in detail, & as I've said, it appears Trouba is all good & Drouin is the bad guy?? Why?

As I said, I'm in favour of these RFA's wanting a better opportunity. But as I've said, & you have pointed out in Trouba's circumstance, the players are used however best fits the organisation they are in. Drouin was the exact same, he has now proved he is a NHL player (through injury), & wouldn't have, or wasn't getting, the opportunity to do so. Trouba wants to play LH D, Drouin wanted NHL time, both couldn't get/can't get so they asked to go somewhere they would/will. Players are pawns the organisations use to their advantage. They aren't too concerned with expediting development especially if it's going to cost them more. They will do that when it suits them best.

The 2 scenarios are very close in detail, & as I've said, it appears Trouba is all good & Drouin is the bad guy?? Why?
- Aussiepenguin

I agree with you.

As I said, I'm in favour of these RFA's wanting a better opportunity. But as I've said, & you have pointed out in Trouba's circumstance, the players are used however best fits the organisation they are in. Drouin was the exact same, he has now proved he is a NHL player (through injury), & wouldn't have, or wasn't getting, the opportunity to do so. Trouba wants to play RH D, Drouin wanted NHL time, both couldn't get/can't get so they asked to go somewhere they would/will. Players are pawns the organisations use to their advantage. They aren't too concerned with expediting development especially if it's going to cost them more. They will do that when it suits them best.

The 2 scenarios are very close in detail, & as I've said, it appears Trouba is all good & Drouin is the bad guy?? Why?
- Aussiepenguin

One waited until the offseason, where he is not under contract to ask for a trade. The other bailed on his team during the season. They are not comparable.

As I said, I'm in favour of these RFA's wanting a better opportunity. But as I've said, & you have pointed out in Trouba's circumstance, the players are used however best fits the organisation they are in. Drouin was the exact same, he has now proved he is a NHL player (through injury), & wouldn't have, or wasn't getting, the opportunity to do so. Trouba wants to play RH D, Drouin wanted NHL time, both couldn't get/can't get so they asked to go somewhere they would/will. Players are pawns the organisations use to their advantage. They aren't too concerned with expediting development especially if it's going to cost them more. They will do that when it suits them best.

The 2 scenarios are very close in detail, & as I've said, it appears Trouba is all good & Drouin is the bad guy?? Why?
- Aussiepenguin

Drouin was under contract and that contract stipulated he could be sent to the AHL he refused to honour his negotiated contract. Trouba has NO contract therefor he is.not obligated legally to play for Winnipeg. That is the difference it is a very large difference. Trouba is obligated to conform to the CBA the union negotiated which means he has to either sign with Winnipeg, sit out, or play in another league. All of these are within his rights to do so as a restricted free agent. Drouin had none of those options. That is why it is different.

A: the Jets already have too many NHL forwards. If Trouba is moved, it's for a lefty Dman.
B: Trouba will be moved, not Myers. Myers is the better player and on a solid deal.
C: Drouin's problem was his agent and Tampa purposely sabotaging his season.

One waited until the offseason, where he is not under contract to ask for a trade. The other bailed on his team during the season. They are not comparable.
- Steven_Seagull

So Trouba's agent advising Winnipeg that he is 'refusing' to attend training camp suggests to me that he is obliged to attend training camp? That sounds like they (Winnipeg) are being given an ultimatum by a RFA? Did Drouin give Yzerman an ultimatum?

Drouin - if we can believe the stories, was advised by Yzerman that he would be given NHL time - he wasn't. Drouin requested a trade if Yzerman wasn't going to give him what he said he would. After receiving the trade request while Drouin floated between NHL & AHL, it came to a head after another order to go back to the AHL. So feeling no other option was available to him Drouin refused to show up to the AHL team - not bailing out on his Tampa team mates at all. He was then told to take a seat & not play. Then when injuries hit Drouin came back, proved his worth & played his arse off for his team mates. Bailed out on his team mates??

Trouba is now being told what? He wants $ & trying to dictate where he plays. His team mates are preparing for a season where they are in my opinion going to make a big splash. So tell me, is Trouba now supporting his team as a RFA, or is he trying to do what he thinks is best for him? Is Trouba now bailing out on his team?

Drouins actions had zero impact on the Tampa season. What do you think Trouba's actions will do to the Jets season? Is he now bailing out on 'his' contracted team (as a RFA he has obligations he must fulfill or there are consequences)?

Drouin was under contract and that contract stipulated he could be sent to the AHL he refused to honour his negotiated contract. Trouba has NO contract therefor he is.not obligated legally to play for Winnipeg. That is the difference it is a very large difference. Trouba is obligated to conform to the CBA the union negotiated which means he has to either sign with Winnipeg, sit out, or play in another league. All of these are within his rights to do so as a restricted free agent. Drouin had none of those options. That is why it is different.
- BuzzKiller

Apart what I've replied to already, Drouin was being impeded in his development in my opinion. Any contract would have a clause that an organisation was to assure a players development was continued to the best of the organisations ability - or something similar. Yzerman was using Drouin & basically not developing him in a manner that could be described as consistent or productive. When he didn't need him, he sent him down to the AHL. Then when the poop hit the fan with injuries he called him back, & Drouin proved his worth as a NHL level player - any other team would probably have him playing full time NHL. (Funnily enough Yzerman didn't suspend him for the season - when he needed Drouin he called him back & lifted the suspension????)

So, any player that has a contract has the option to sit on the bench if that contract isn't being honoured by the team. Drouin had/has that right!! He was suspended by the team & sat on the sidelines. All very legal in my humble opinion. RFA's don't have many rights, Trouba is following his right not to play & trying to progress his career by signing a large $ contract or be 'traded' & is now sitting on the sidelines. Drouin refused to play in an effort to progress his career, & play in the NHL. Trouba is doing the same only saying he wants to play on the Right side (& get paid loads of cash).

If you think there are no comparisons then that's fine. I do.

Any package for Trouba would have to include a left shot dman
- Kunit

I don't think the Jets will get to make demands here. Players demanding a trade usually doesn't end well for their original team.

Santini and him would make a real nice pairing down the road :p

I'm going to drop this again....
Puljujarvi for Trouba straight up. Oilers fans want to see their 3rd overall pick progress in the oilers system but they need trouba. This deal makes so much sense for both sides and might put the oilers into a playoff position. Jesse gets to play with Laine..... lets get it done Chevy!
- JetsAvs

Not even close.

I don't think the Jets will get to make demands here. Players demanding a trade usually doesn't end well for their original team.
- isles10289

That's only if the team gives in to the players demands. Trouba has 3 options: sign with the jets, play well and hope a trade can be worked out in the meantime, sit out and wait or play in another league. Option one would have been the professional way to handle this situation.

Now if I'm Chevy and you just made this public, I'm pulling any comparable market offer, and counter with 4 year 10million or trouba can start brushing up on his Russian.

That's only if the team gives in to the players demands. Trouba has 3 options: sign with the jets, play well and hope a trade can be worked out in the meantime, sit out and wait or play in another league. Option one would have been the professional way to handle this situation.

Now if I'm Chevy and you just made this public, I'm pulling any comparable market offer, and counter with 4 year 10million or trouba can start brushing up on his Russian.
- JETSWIN

or sign an offer sheet.

or sign an offer sheet.
- prock

True.. That would make things even more interesting

or sign an offer sheet.
- prock

Offer sheet is 'probably' best case scenario unless they can sign him. Low $ offer they match & play on, high offer they don't & go forward with the picks. Now what teams have the cap space to make an offer high enough the Jets don't match & have their picks they're willing to give up - a first will be odds on??

Offer sheet is 'probably' best case scenario unless they can sign him. Low $ offer they match & play on, high offer they don't & go forward with the picks. Now what teams have the cap space to make an offer high enough the Jets don't match & have their picks they're willing to give up - a first will be odds on??
- Aussiepenguin

$5M is higher than they want to pay him, clearly, and that's a first and third. If you're a middling team, a middle first and a third isn't much for Trouba. Obviously people throwing out trades like Trouba for Puljujarvi are out to lunch, but a 15th or 20th overall pick and a 3rd is a crappy return. So, then they're stuck paying him what they're refusing to right now.

$5M is higher than they want to pay him, clearly, and that's a first and third. If you're a middling team, a middle first and a third isn't much for Trouba. Obviously people throwing out trades like Trouba for Puljujarvi are out to lunch, but a 15th or 20th overall pick and a 3rd is a crappy return. So, then they're stuck paying him what they're refusing to right now.
- prock

Puljujarvi isn't a fair return for Trouba. Trouba never had the "pedigree" that Puljujarvi does. They are going to end up with prospects and a left handed d. I'm curious if toronto will put something together. JVR although a good trade for WPG is not what they need. Toronto won't give up Matthews/Nylander/Marner. I doubt they give up either Reilly or Gardiner. So are the prospects enough? Who else is going to give more?

I don't think the Jets will get to make demands here. Players demanding a trade usually doesn't end well for their original team.
- isles10289

Did you witness the Evander Kane deal?

Puljujarvi isn't a fair return for Trouba. Trouba never had the "pedigree" that Puljujarvi does. They are going to end up with prospects and a left handed d. I'm curious if toronto will put something together. JVR although a good trade for WPG is not what they need. Toronto won't give up Matthews/Nylander/Marner. I doubt they give up either Reilly or Gardiner. So are the prospects enough? Who else is going to give more?
- Shteven

Jets are stocked with prospects.

Puljujarvi isn't a fair return for Trouba. Trouba never had the "pedigree" that Puljujarvi does. They are going to end up with prospects and a left handed d. I'm curious if toronto will put something together. JVR although a good trade for WPG is not what they need. Toronto won't give up Matthews/Nylander/Marner. I doubt they give up either Reilly or Gardiner. So are the prospects enough? Who else is going to give more?
- Shteven

yes, I know, Trouba doesn't come close to getting Pulju. Tha'ts what I'm saying. But would you be happy with a mid-first for him? No way.

I doubt Toronto would trade for him. You gotta remember expansion draft, and they'll want to protect Gardiner, Rielly, and Zaitsev. No room.

Edmonton could use him, AND protect him, but he's not worth RNH, Draisatl, Pulju, obv McDavid. And i doubt Winnipeg wants Eberle. Who do you trade???

To BUFF: Jacob Trouba, Andrew Copp, 2017 3rd Round Pick

To WPG: Rasmus Ristolainen, 2017 2nd Round Pick