Edit: isles have 15 forwards including boulton and grabo. I think the signings of quine and prince are pushing bailey out the door.
- Flexingtheshaft

While i hope youre right about that i dont see garth trading bailey unless its in a package with berube and whats that gonna fetch you? Bailey is better defensivley than some guys and still puts up 35 to 40 points. Im not necessarily a huge bailey fan as he is frustrating as hell when he gives up point blank chances to pass and plays a soft game

While i hope youre right about that i dont see garth trading bailey unless its in a package with berube and whats that gonna fetch you? Bailey is better defensivley than some guys and still puts up 35 to 40 points. Im not necessarily a huge bailey fan as he is frustrating as hell when he gives up point blank chances to pass and plays a soft game
- Upstate_isles

Problem with Bailey is that you can get similar production/value without taking up $3.3M on the cap. I'd dump him for just about anything that didn't include more salary than he was taking up.

It's looking like we can't/shouldn't trade Halak, so it would be wise to leave ourselves with a nice cushion of cap space for a) any potential deadline deals and b) offseason signings/acquistions. There's a good chance that we see Nelson and/or de Haan depart after this season, and those holes will need to be filled at some point. Ultimately, they may be filled by cheap kids (Barzal/Pelech) but there will be needs elsewhere too. Clutterbuck may very well be gone, PAP will be gone. Grabo could retire for all we know.

Every year that passes makes it easier to deal Bailey because of the diminishing term of the contract. His hit is perfectly affordable for a team that needs a bit of middle-6 depth and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a GM sell that move as a "reclamation project" of a former top-10 pick.

Problem with Bailey is that you can get similar production/value without taking up $3.3M on the cap. I'd dump him for just about anything that didn't include more salary than he was taking up.

It's looking like we can't/shouldn't trade Halak, so it would be wise to leave ourselves with a nice cushion of cap space for a) any potential deadline deals and b) offseason signings/acquistions. There's a good chance that we see Nelson and/or de Haan depart after this season, and those holes will need to be filled at some point. Ultimately, they may be filled by cheap kids (Barzal/Pelech) but there will be needs elsewhere too. Clutterbuck may very well be gone, PAP will be gone. Grabo could retire for all we know.

Every year that passes makes it easier to deal Bailey because of the diminishing term of the contract. His hit is perfectly affordable for a team that needs a bit of middle-6 depth and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a GM sell that move as a "reclamation project" of a former top-10 pick.
- eichiefs9

Yea by next year del colle and ho sang will have a year in the ahl under their belts and could step into that spot also think the winger deal will be at deadline or off-season for jt. Halak shouldnt be traded i see a 60 40 split with greiss this year to hard to move one and rely on berube if both are playing well

OMG

YOU ALL NEED TO GO READ THIS NHL ARTICLE ABOUT HOW THE WINNIPEG JETS HAVE WANTED BRIAN STRAIT FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.nhl.com/jets/...s-full-circle/c-282106842
- Flexingtheshaft

They wanted him so bad they gave him a 1 year deal.

Yea by next year del colle and ho sang will have a year in the ahl under their belts and could step into that spot also think the winger deal will be at deadline or off-season for jt. Halak shouldnt be traded i see a 60 40 split with greiss this year to hard to move one and rely on berube if both are playing well
- Upstate_isles

Yeah Dal Colle and Ho Sang will definitely have a year of AHL play behind them, but it remains to be seen if it was at all a successful one. If (big IF) CdH and Nelson are gone after this year (and assuming Pulock continues to impress), I'd be OK with Barzal and Pelech taking over their spots...but I wouldn't want to be adding MDC and/or JHS into the mix, that's a ton of really young players. They'd have to add a vet or two, and frankly they'd have the cash to do it.

Problem with Bailey is that you can get similar production/value without taking up $3.3M on the cap. I'd dump him for just about anything that didn't include more salary than he was taking up.

It's looking like we can't/shouldn't trade Halak, so it would be wise to leave ourselves with a nice cushion of cap space for a) any potential deadline deals and b) offseason signings/acquistions. There's a good chance that we see Nelson and/or de Haan depart after this season, and those holes will need to be filled at some point. Ultimately, they may be filled by cheap kids (Barzal/Pelech) but there will be needs elsewhere too. Clutterbuck may very well be gone, PAP will be gone. Grabo could retire for all we know.

Every year that passes makes it easier to deal Bailey because of the diminishing term of the contract. His hit is perfectly affordable for a team that needs a bit of middle-6 depth and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a GM sell that move as a "reclamation project" of a former top-10 pick.
- eichiefs9

Still think Arizona would have had interest in him this year especially if Garth was willing to take a 5th round pick.

I have to think de Haan will be lost to the expansion draft. I'm fine if Pelech replaces him.

It will be very interesting to see what forwards are available for the Isles at the deadline. Have to think Garth will look to doing something big at this years deadline.

For those of you that haven't seent De Colle play he very far from making NHL. Barzal and Ho Sang way ahead of him.

the biggest different btween stromer and bailey is Strome is upset about his production. He should bounce back. Bailey would be the equivalent of Union Employee. Go thru the motions and get the job done, no need to over deliver.

The boychuk news sucks, the great news is Halak seems to be on his game. Getting off to nice good start always helps.
Btw, Halak is now 9-0 vs Lundquist playing heads up.

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 45s46 seconds ago
#Isles lines for tonight vs. PHI: Prince-Barzal-Quine, Dal Colle-Strome-Ho-Sang, Verhaeghe-Beauvillier-Fritz, Boulton-Schempp-Markison.

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 28s28 seconds ago
#Isles D pairs/G tonight: Pelech-Pulock, Wotherspoon-Mayfield, Vande Sompel-Leduc. Berube/Gibson in goal.

How is this statement Correct?
Strait spent the past four years on the Island, compiling 27 points (7G, 20A) in 183 combined regular-season and playoff games. He's a defensive defenceman who prides himself on being physical, a strong penalty killer and one of the more willing shot-blockers in the game.

its impossible to be a good PKer if you are the takent he bad penalties. he was worst offender last season.

Still think Arizona would have had interest in him this year especially if Garth was willing to take a 5th round pick.

I have to think de Haan will be lost to the expansion draft. I'm fine if Pelech replaces him.

It will be very interesting to see what forwards are available for the Isles at the deadline. Have to think Garth will look to doing something big at this years deadline.
- ses111

I can't imagine the Isles wouldn't trade de Haan, if they were going to leave him unprotected.

I can't imagine the Isles wouldn't trade de Haan, if they were going to leave him unprotected.
- eichiefs9

When would the trade happen though? Garth has shown he will lose guys for nothing in the past.

When would the trade happen though? Garth has shown he will lose guys for nothing in the past.
- ses111

Okposo and Nielsen were pending UFA's, and by all accounts Nielsen's departure was a late decision and one that surprised them. Snow offered him more money than DET and he still decided to leave. This is an entirely different situation.

They were never trading Okposo, nor should they have. Trading your #1 RW before the playoffs would have been a putrid decision. I still can't understand why people don't unanimously agree about this.

Also, to the inevitable "but he could have traded his rights" argument: he probably would have gotten a 4th or 5th round pick for Okposo's rights, if any team was even interested in doing that. So I'm not exactly crying about getting a pick that would have yielded a guy who almost definitely would have never played in the NHL.

If it was such an easy thing to do, it's truly amazing that we don't see it happen with nearly every halfway notable free agent ever.

Okposo and Nielsen were pending UFA's, and by all accounts Nielsen's departure was a late decision and one that surprised them. Snow offered him more money than DET and he still decided to leave. This is an entirely different situation.

They were never trading Okposo, nor should they have. Trading your #1 RW before the playoffs would have been a putrid decision. I still can't understand why people don't unanimously agree about this. Also, to the inevitable "but he could have traded his rights" argument...he probably would have gotten a 4th or 5th round pick for Okposo's rights, if any team was even interested in doing that. If it's such an easy thing to do, it's truly amazing that we don't see it happen with nearly every halfway notable free agent ever.
- eichiefs9

Sorry I was not referring to trading Frans and KO. That was not happening. I was referring to guys like PAP. I would love to include Bailey in a de Haan deal.

Sorry I was not referring to trading Frans and KO. That was not happening. I was referring to guys like PAP.
- ses111

PAP? Good question. That was a while ago. It's possible there was no market for PAP. Or that Snow misjudged his ability to re-sign PAP.

Sorry I was not referring to trading Frans and KO. That was not happening. I was referring to guys like PAP.
- ses111

I don't even remember the circumstances around PAP leaving last time, but I don't recall Snow letting too many guys that had any real value walk. It was different in the lean years when we weren't making the playoffs...but so was everything.

Okposo and Nielsen were pending UFA's, and by all accounts Nielsen's departure was a late decision and one that surprised them. Snow offered him more money than DET and he still decided to leave. This is an entirely different situation.

They were never trading Okposo, nor should they have. Trading your #1 RW before the playoffs would have been a putrid decision. I still can't understand why people don't unanimously agree about this.

Also, to the inevitable "but he could have traded his rights" argument: he probably would have gotten a 4th or 5th round pick for Okposo's rights, if any team was even interested in doing that. So I'm not exactly crying about getting a pick that would have yielded a guy who almost definitely would have never played in the NHL.

If it was such an easy thing to do, it's truly amazing that we don't see it happen with nearly every halfway notable free agent ever.
- eichiefs9

So, we're all just supposed to listen to you and accept it as gospel and law ?

Okposo and Nielsen were pending UFA's, and by all accounts Nielsen's departure was a late decision and one that surprised them. Snow offered him more money than DET and he still decided to leave. This is an entirely different situation.

They were never trading Okposo, nor should they have. Trading your #1 RW before the playoffs would have been a putrid decision. I still can't understand why people don't unanimously agree about this.

Also, to the inevitable "but he could have traded his rights" argument: he probably would have gotten a 4th or 5th round pick for Okposo's rights, if any team was even interested in doing that. So I'm not exactly crying about getting a pick that would have yielded a guy who almost definitely would have never played in the NHL.

If it was such an easy thing to do, it's truly amazing that we don't see it happen with nearly every halfway notable free agent ever.
- eichiefs9

I dont believe anyone expected him to trade Kyle before the playoffs. I think the bone of contention is that you kinda have an idea where you stand with a player, and a year before he was up for free agency, a decission should have been made. KO should have been traded the offseason BEFORE he was a UFA. Bad asset management.

PAP? Good question. That was a while ago. It's possible there was no market for PAP. Or that Snow misjudged his ability to re-sign PAP.
- JohnScammo

Isles were not making the playoffs that year and I have to think some playoff team would have taken him.

So, we're all just supposed to listen to you and accept it as gospel and law ?

- Isleshockeyman

Well yeah..if nobody is doing that...then why am I even here?

Unsurprising news of the day:

New York Islanders ‏@NYIslanders 45s45 seconds ago
#Isles Injury Update: Mikhail Grabovski has been placed on the team's IR list with an upper body injury (retroactive to 3/16/16).

Well yeah..if nobody is doing that...then why am I even here?


- eichiefs9

Unsurprising news of the day:

New York Islanders ‏@NYIslanders 45s45 seconds ago
#Isles Injury Update: Mikhail Grabovski has been placed on the team's IR list with an upper body injury (retroactive to 3/16/16).
- eichiefs9

Can he be placed on the never playing again list?

Can he be placed on the never playing again list?
- ses111

hahahahaha

i believe he already is

Can he be placed on the never playing again list?
- ses111

He's already on it. What we want is the "cap hit never counts again" list.

Isles were not making the playoffs that year and I have to think some playoff team would have taken him.
- ses111

Maybe..... although it's hard to imagine a GM sitting there and thinking, "if only we had PAP, we'd be a Cup contender." It's also hard to imagine Snow receiving a decent offer for PAP, and then turning it down, because the Isles needed him for their non-playoff run.