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KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Sep 22 @ 1:17 PM ET
you say inedible, i say incredible
you say deplorable, i say adorable
inedible, incredible, deplorable, adorable

- Streit2ThePoint

Give me a WR
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 22 @ 1:22 PM ET
Give me a WR
- KINGKENZO


What makes you think you're deserving of warm regards?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 22 @ 1:29 PM ET
Because endlessly debating a 3rd round pick from 2 years ago is just so riveting
- BiggE



It's actual hockey talk which makes it much better than the normal boring Summer talk, to no one's fault. If a conversation doesn't suit me, I just scroll on by like I've done most of the Summer, rather than post a remark.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Sep 22 @ 1:30 PM ET
The funniest part about Ghoul is we might have 15 players now and in the future who project as better bottom 6/4th line players than him.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 22 @ 1:35 PM ET
The funniest part about Ghoul is we might have 15 players now and in the future who project as better bottom 6/4th line players than him.
- Mononoke


We don't deal in hypotheticals around these parts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 22 @ 1:36 PM ET
The funniest part about Ghoul is we might have 15 players now and in the future who project as better bottom 6/4th line players than him.
- Mononoke


Or he might wind up the best out of all of them! Wouldn't that be funny. Just so I know, how far into the future are we talking about?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Sep 22 @ 1:38 PM ET
So I was just talking on FB with friend about the potential of the 2018 US Olympic team.

So, as of today, here is my group.

Goalies: Bishop, Gibson, Schneider

Forwards: Eichel, Matthews, Gaudreau, Kane, Kessel, Parise, Pavelski, Okposo, Oshie, Johnson, Wheeler, JvR/Pacioretty/Galchenyuk

Defense: Suter, Shattenkirk, Faulk, Ghost, Jones, Carlson, McDonagh/Fowler/Trouba



Potential dark horses:
Trochek, Vesey, Saad, Bjugstad
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 22 @ 1:42 PM ET
Don't you mean spilled Duclair's?

Keep in mind, as much as people like to say, "We could have had

- jmatchett383[insert player] in the [number] round but we decided to take [insert player] istead," that as long as the pick is outside of the first 2 rounds, every single NHL team passed on drafting that player at least once. So when you compare Goulbourne to Duclair, keep in mind that New York also selected Pavel Buchnevich before Duclair.


Nah, I don't think the Flyers would have taken Duclair due to character concerns.

http://www.tsn.ca/masters...duke-of-broadway-1.158539

But going by this Bjorkstrand was ranked 51 on the Flyers draft board but they made an exception to take Goulbourne at 72 instead.

http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1479447
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Sep 22 @ 1:45 PM ET
It is impossible to pick player A vs. player B or C and say we should've had that guy, but it is not impossible to fault the strategy. It is also obvious that the Flyers have changed their strategy.

I think going for anything less than a home run is pointless though, as you can find a grinder like Ryan White or a skill guy that hasn't panned out like Sam Gagner any day of the week during the offseason.

- YuenglingJagr


You need a couple guys in a draft who are high floor players without top 6 ceilings just for roster depth. But make them true 3rd line ceiling talents perhaps like Fazleev, Bunnaman, etc.. That's ok, and I am a subscriber to home run theory too. But
a good rule of drafting: never pick someone whose absolute ceiling is 4th liner/tweener...sub to replacement level players are surprisingly not hard to replace!

But you hit the nail on the ass. In a vacuum, one pick making the NHL is preferable over one not. But what if you do this every year targeting no ceiling "safe" (questionably) players? In consecutive drafts, if you go 7/10 taking Ghoul players becoming NHL'ers, is that preferable to going 1/10 and taking a Gaudreau or Ghost or Benn or the countless other mid to late round stars? No it's not. Drafting and draft strategy are not done in a vacuum like some here believe.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 22 @ 1:50 PM ET
I'm okay with the Morin pick, but I REALLY wanted them to take Pulock.
- jmatchett383


It would be quite the twist if we end up trading Sanheim for Pulock. NYI are in a tough spot for the expansion draft with five dmen who are worth protecting, so they have an incentive to move one for a prospect who's exempt from the ED. And the Flyers currently only have two non-UFA dmen worth protecting in Ghost and Gudas.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 22 @ 1:51 PM ET
You need a couple guys in a draft who are high floor players without top 6 ceilings just for roster depth. But make them true 3rd line ceiling talents perhaps like Fazleev, Bunnaman, etc.. That's ok, and I am a subscriber to home run theory too. But
a good rule of drafting: never pick someone whose absolute ceiling is 4th liner/tweener...sub to replacement level players are surprisingly not hard to replace!

But you hit the nail on the ass. In a vacuum, one pick making the NHL is preferable over one not. But what if you do this every year targeting no ceiling "safe" (questionably) players? In consecutive drafts, if you go 7/10 taking Ghoul players becoming NHL'ers, is that preferable to going 1/10 and taking a Gaudreau or Ghost or Benn or the countless other mid to late round stars? No it's not. Drafting and draft strategy are not done in a vacuum like some here believe.

- Mononoke



Who believes that draft strategy is done in a vacuum? You could also go 0/10 swinging for the fences.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Sep 22 @ 1:52 PM ET
It would be quite the twist if we end up trading Sanheim for Pulock. NYI are in a tough spot for the expansion draft with five dmen who are worth protecting, so they have an incentive to move one for a prospect who's exempt from the ED. And the Flyers currently only have two non-UFA dmen worth protecting in Ghost and Gudas.
- Feanor


Sanheim is a better prospect than Pulock. The Isles are in a jam and are going to lose a top d man. Why would the Flyers help get them out of their bind so they can then KEEP all their d men and get a better prospect, yet? I don't see it.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Sep 22 @ 2:01 PM ET
So I was just talking on FB with friend about the potential of the 2018 US Olympic team.

So, as of today, here is my group.

Goalies: Bishop, Gibson, Schneider

Forwards: Eichel, Matthews, Gaudreau, Kane, Kessel, Parise, Pavelski, Okposo, Oshie, Johnson, Wheeler, JvR/Pacioretty/Galchenyuk

Defense: Suter, Shattenkirk, Faulk, Ghost, Jones, Carlson, McDonagh/Fowler/Trouba



Potential dark horses:
Trochek, Vesey, Saad, Bjugstad

- jak521


Trocheck and Saad should be locks if they actually make a real team. I'd dump Oshie and the overrated Carlsson too. Parise too I'd get rid of...1 point in his last 8 USA games. He will be even older too. Pavelski remains to be seen. He's better than Parise. When I have a minute I'll think about a lineup.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 22 @ 2:03 PM ET
HOCKEY'S BACK BOYS!
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 22 @ 2:08 PM ET
Hartnell has come out and said he's retracted his list of teams he'd accept a trade to, and will be staying in Columbus

I'd love to know what those teams were.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 22 @ 2:08 PM ET
Yuppie scum
- jak521

don't you have a wawa parking lot to infest, you filthy delconian?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 22 @ 2:09 PM ET
WEEEEE we're winning the cup
http://www.pensionplanpup...sucks-philadelphia-flyers
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 22 @ 2:09 PM ET
don't you have a wawa parking lot to infest, you filthy delconian?
- BulliesPhan87

(frank) you wawa was awesome i ate that poop all the time in high school for lunch
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Sep 22 @ 2:13 PM ET
don't you have a wawa parking lot to infest, you filthy delconian?
- BulliesPhan87

I represent that!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 22 @ 2:13 PM ET
(frank) you wawa was awesome i ate that poop all the time in high school for lunch
- 2Real

I never forgave them for discontinuing the pepperoni pizza flatbread
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
I never forgave them for discontinuing the pepperoni pizza flatbread
- BulliesPhan87

i ate their hoagies and chicken fingers yum yum yum very rare to find things that good out here
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 22 @ 2:16 PM ET
i ate their hoagies and chicken fingers yum yum yum very rare to find things that good out here
- 2Real

I pity you (also I lied I forgave wawa right away)
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 22 @ 2:16 PM ET
WEEEEE we're winning the cup
http://www.pensionplanpup...sucks-philadelphia-flyers

- 2Real


do they pay royalties to Drew Magary?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 22 @ 2:18 PM ET
I pity you (also I lied I forgave wawa right away)
- BulliesPhan87

yea but there's bomb korean BBQ out here
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 22 @ 2:19 PM ET
yea but there's bomb korean BBQ out here
- 2Real


wawa has korean bbq something?
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