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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 21 @ 2:52 PM ET
30 year old Read seems like he would work best on a 4th line that is about containment, rather than a secondary scoring line.

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Raffl-Couturier-Voracek
Laughton-Cousins-Weise
Read-Gordon-Bellemare

Lyubimov is the wildcard.

- Feanor


That lineup is going to struggle mightily to score goals. Voracek has to have a huge bounce back year, and they will need the same production from Ghost. Disappointing not to be able to add a legit goal scorer, but there wasn't money to sign a UFA.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Sep 21 @ 2:55 PM ET
Maybe I'm off base with this, but doesn't Hjalmarsson play the physical defensive blueliner role for the Hawks?
- BulliesPhan87


Defensive, yes. Physical, no.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:55 PM ET
players with 0 nhl games played having to "significantly outplay" longtime NHL veterans in order to make a team just seems like flawed thinking to me
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 21 @ 2:55 PM ET
That lineup is going to struggle mightily to score goals. Voracek has to have a huge bounce back year, and they will need the same production from Ghost. Disappointing not to be able to add a legit goal scorer, but there wasn't money to sign a UFA.
- PLindbergh31

It seems like Jake's really feeling it at the WCOH, hopefully it carries over.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 21 @ 3:00 PM ET
No Myers or Laberge tonight.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Sep 21 @ 3:01 PM ET
Morin has a very heavy shot.

http://www.broadstreethoc...t-and-then-drool-about-it

- Feanor


As a pro defenseman (who also is a giant), I should hope he has a heavy slap shot lol. But every d man at these levels has a big slap shot. I could find you Nick Schultz slap shot beauties too. So much of being a plus shooter at this level is 1) offensive, shooting mindset.....2) quick release.....3) the ability to weave your shot through traffic. I'm not holding my breath on Morin scoring too many goals with his.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:02 PM ET
Why do people just assume that Morin is more or less a goon simply because he is big and plays a physical style? The dude is never going to be Paul Coffey or Chris Pronger, but he has good wheels, a decent shot, can move the puck, and has great closing speed.

I mean, he's the next Flyers' era Mike Rathje.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 21 @ 3:04 PM ET
Why do people just assume that Morin is more or less a goon simply because he is big and plays a physical style? The dude is never going to be Paul Coffey or Chris Pronger, but he has good wheels, a decent shot, can move the puck, and has great closing speed.

I mean, he's the next Flyers' era Mike Rathje.

- jmatchett383

I think he's gonna be Sam Morin imo
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:04 PM ET
As a pro defenseman (who also is a giant), I should hope he has a heavy slap shot lol. But every d man at these levels has a big slap shot. I could find you Nick Schultz slap shot beauties too. So much of being a plus shooter at this level is 1) offensive, shooting mindset.....2) quick release.....3) the ability to weave your shot through traffic. I'm not holding my breath on Morin scoring too many goals with his.
- Mononoke


Braydon Coburn, which is what I'm thinking Morin could be comparable to, had one of the worst slap shots I've ever seen. It wasn't weak, his wind-up tool 6-8 weeks, and he seemed to aim for shin pads.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
Not that I think he's the exact same player, but when I think what Morin could provide Gudas comes to mind: the physical tools to resist pressure combined with enough skill to make good passes and keep the play moving.
- BulliesPhan87



I'm thinking his potential is much higher than a Gudas level player. I'm thinking more like Chara with less of an offensive game as a high upside.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
I think he's gonna be Sam Morin imo
- BulliesPhan87


The one who could be a top-4 NHL defenseman and provide quality minutes at even strength and the PK, or the bottom-pair NHL defenseman who takes bad penalties and has no offense?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
players with 0 nhl games played having to "significantly outplay" longtime NHL veterans in order to make a team just seems like flawed thinking to me
- Crimsoninja

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 21 @ 3:07 PM ET
I guess you didn't read the part where I stated he skates well and can move the puck for a big guy. You're right though, I've pigeon holed him
- aantny88


I read it. Your emphasis was most definitely on the taking penalties aspect of his game.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 21 @ 3:08 PM ET
Why do people just assume that Morin is more or less a goon simply because he is big and plays a physical style? The dude is never going to be Paul Coffey or Chris Pronger, but he has good wheels, a decent shot, can move the puck, and has great closing speed.

I mean, he's the next Flyers' era Mike Rathje.

- jmatchett383


Maybe because, at least here, folks only post clips of Morin fighting
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 21 @ 3:08 PM ET
players with 0 nhl games played having to "significantly outplay" longtime NHL veterans in order to make a team just seems like flawed thinking to me
- Crimsoninja


I know, right! What about entitlement!?!?!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 21 @ 3:10 PM ET
I'm thinking king his potential is much higher than a Guida level player. I'm thinking more like Chara with less of an offensive game as a high upside.
- MJL

I'd be very fine with that. If he can even just be a stabilizing partner to one of the more offensively minded blueliners we've got coming up, I'll be satisfied. That's just one less defenseman we have to go find.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:10 PM ET
I know, right! What about entitlement!?!?!
- Scoob


It's blatant classism and ageism brahs, the NHL needs to get its poop together.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:11 PM ET
Maybe because, at least here, folks only post clips of Morin fighting
- Scoob


You mean the one that Feanor posted a page ago?

Also, Morin's fights are fun to watch, definitely more than him making good defensive plays and breakout passes through the neutral zone.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Sep 21 @ 3:11 PM ET
players with 0 nhl games played having to "significantly outplay" longtime NHL veterans in order to make a team just seems like flawed thinking to me
- Crimsoninja


big, if true.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 21 @ 3:11 PM ET
As a pro defenseman (who also is a giant), I should hope he has a heavy slap shot lol. But every d man at these levels has a big slap shot. I could find you Nick Schultz slap shot beauties too.
- Mononoke


Can you? Cause I've already found two from Morin and I'm not seeing any Schultz beauties yet...

http://video.flyers.nhl.c...ocenter/console?id=883209

The bottom line is, saying he doesn't have much of a shot given his size, is inaccurate.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 21 @ 3:12 PM ET
The one who could be a top-4 NHL defenseman and provide quality minutes at even strength and the PK, or the bottom-pair NHL defenseman who takes bad penalties and has no offense?
- jmatchett383

The one who




uh... (c'mon, gotta make a funny...)



I'm sorry, I've got nothing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 21 @ 3:13 PM ET
It seems like Jake's really feeling it at the WCOH, hopefully it carries over.
- BulliesPhan87


That lineup legitimately has 6 forwards capable of scoring 20 or more goals. Del Zotto, Gostisbehere, and Streit can all provide offense from the back end.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 21 @ 3:14 PM ET
You mean the one that Feanor posted a page ago?
- jmatchett383


color me surprised

Also, Morin's fights are fun to watch, definitely more than him making good defensive plays and breakout passes through the neutral zone.


eh
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 21 @ 3:14 PM ET
Im just hoping Morin becomes a consistent, nasty, physical player who wont hurt us in the offensive end. IE make a good first pass, get some shots on net.

I think defensively he is going to be a stud.

- MBFlyerfan


Agree 100%. I think he has potential to be a similar player to Derian Hatcher. Not the Hatcher who played here on 2 shot knees but the top pair shut down guy that played in Dallas.

You can ALWAYS use a nasty, mean, huge guy with good wheels and decent puck skills.

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Sep 21 @ 3:15 PM ET
Maybe I'm off base with this, but doesn't Hjalmarsson play the physical defensive blueliner role for the Hawks?
- BulliesPhan87


he isnt 6'7" so he surely cant play as much defense and physics as Morin can
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