Hexsteal found takers for Vinny and Rinaldo, so have faith.
- twotoekenn

hextall played a great role in moving vinny. it was all him.

I think we keep looking at the old Read and thinking 20 goals is coming back.

These past two seasons he has been subar for most of the season except a few good games. He doesn't seem to be a threat anymore on the PK and doesn't seem to be much of a threat at 5v5 anymore. His speed has taken a hit and there is really no physical play from him.

If he and Vandevelde were making the same money he would probably be in the same roster crunch as Vandevelde. Also he is 30 so he is now starting on the back part of his career.

I think the hope for Read comes form the fact he has the cap hit he does. For me Read and Vandevelde are about the same after the past two seasons and need to have good camps or face being waived. Despite the money owed.
- J35Bacher

If they played Vandevelde with better players, do you think he's capable of scoring 11-12 goals in a season?

How has Streit looked in World Cup? haven't been able to catch a Team Europe game yet
- arichardson22

I saw the US-Europe game live....he looked slow....but he always does to me...still has great hands and sees the ice well. He played pretty good I thought.

A team that has an injury and needs a proven PP quarterback. Before his own injury last year, he had 108 points over his previous 186 games. That's pretty damn good in today's NHL.
- bmeltzer

well I disagree. No one is trading for streit today, even with a an injury imo. Not until he shows he is healthy and productive. Teams will not use their cap space this early on a player like Streit.

So realistically there is no team as it stands now that would want him.

If they played Vandevelde with better players, do you think he's capable of scoring 11-12 goals in a season?
- MJL

If read played with better players would he score more?

well I disagree. No one is trading for streit today, even with a an injury imo. Not until he shows he is healthy and productive. Teams will not use their cap space this early on a player like Streit.

So realistically there is no team as it stands now that would want him.
- rinaldo

In your opinion, no. In some other people's opinions, yes.

I think it's highly unlikely, but not impossible. Retaining salary would be a big help. "Realistically" it could be done, although it's unlikely.

In your opinion, no. In some other people's opinions, yes.

I think it's highly unlikely, but not impossible. Retaining salary would be a big help.
- jmatchett383

yeah in my opinion just like that was Bills opinion. Not fact.

Impossible no, 99% highly unlikely yes.

Would you move Streit rightt now for a 4th rd pick if the opportunity was there?
- rinaldo

I guess it depends on if one of the big 3 prospects if one of ( morin, Sanheim, Provorov) shows they are ready to make the jump....then it makes sense .

yeah in my opinion just like that was Bills opinion. Not fact.

Impossible no, 99% highly unlikely yes.
- rinaldo

So let's say Carolina, who has more than $16M in cap space, and has one of the youngest defenses in the NHL, is interested in adding a cheap veteran presence to their back end. Would one year of Streit at $2.75M be worth it for this year's 3rd (Boston) and a 2017 3rd (NYR)? I think that's reasonable.

Hextall has said on record that a concern with sending Provorov back would be complacency because he's too good for that league.
- PhillySportsGuy

Never heard him say that...I've heard him, countless times, indicate that a player won't be hurt by being sent back to their junior team if they aren't "ready" for the NHL.

Surprised with Fazleev being down at the 4th line. Sure he's got some actual defensive ability but offensively he also put up better offensive numbers than a couple of the centers ahead of him in lines and wasn't an over ager.

They have to be siginificantly better, to force Hextall to keep them, in my opinion. With the way contracts are these days, good players are getting big contracts right out of their EL deals, so I don't think it's as big of an issue at it used to be. Provorov is 19 I believe, so having him not make the team this year could delay when he reaches UFA status
- MJL

It could also mean he is older and more established when he gets his big contract. I really think the timing of a player entering the league has less to do with contract value than initially perceived. It is more about timing/luck and general salary cap state of the team.

If someone plays two years in the AHL and needs a bridge deal before signing long term, I think that cap hit will usually higher after the bridge deal than if they signed one right after the ELC

So let's say Carolina, who has more than $16M in cap space, and has one of the youngest defenses in the NHL, is interested in adding a cheap veteran presence to their back end. Would one year of Streit at $2.75M be worth it for this year's 3rd (Boston) and a 2017 3rd (NYR)? I think that's reasonable.
- jmatchett383

Well first off I am not talking about any salary retention. Secondly no I don't think that Streit would be worth Carolina giving up 2 -3rds for Streit.

If they want a cheap veteran presence maybe they look at dennis Seidenberg, zidlicky, or ehrhoff who are free agents. Lets also say that Carolina has an internal budget and cant add on any more salary. So that would nix that right in the bud. Lets also say they would rather what to see what is available in a month and who gets cut.

Seems like a waste of assets on Carolina's end.

Even if they're only slightly better than Manning, Schultz and MacDonald, it makes more sense for them to play in the NHL because it will mean they're 3rd pairing capable. Getting 12-15 minutes per night in the NHL will be better for development than 20-25 minutes in the AHL or the WHL. IMHO!!!

What if Morin is never better than a third pairing defenseman? Does that mean they just never call him up?
- PhillySportsGuy

They called Laughton up and used him a 4th liner, so I wouldn't think so.

Surprised with Fazleev being down at the 4th line. Sure he's got some actual defensive ability but offensively he also put up better offensive numbers than a couple of the centers ahead of him in lines and wasn't an over ager.
- Yosimar89

It never dawned on me that Bill was listing the lines as #1 through #4 on a depth chart.

And where is Hagg?

I think we keep looking at the old Read and thinking 20 goals is coming back.

These past two seasons he has been subar for most of the season except a few good games. He doesn't seem to be a threat anymore on the PK and doesn't seem to be much of a threat at 5v5 anymore. His speed has taken a hit and there is really no physical play from him.

If he and Vandevelde were making the same money he would probably be in the same roster crunch as Vandevelde. Also he is 30 so he is now starting on the back part of his career.

I think the hope for Read comes form the fact he has the cap hit he does. For me Read and Vandevelde are about the same after the past two seasons and need to have good camps or face being waived. Despite the money owed.
- J35Bacher

30 year old Read seems like he would work best on a 4th line that is about containment, rather than a secondary scoring line.

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Raffl-Couturier-Voracek
Laughton-Cousins-Weise
Read-Gordon-Bellemare

Lyubimov is the wildcard.

Well first off I am not talking about any salary retention. Secondly no I don't think that Streit would be worth Carolina giving up 2 -3rds for Streit.

If they want a cheap veteran presence maybe they look at dennis Seidenberg, zidlicky, or ehrhoff who are free agents. Lets also say that Carolina has an internal budget and cant add on any more salary. So that would nix that right in the bud. Lets also say they would rather what to see what is available in a month and who gets cut.

Seems like a waste of assets on Carolina's end.
- rinaldo

Well then yes, in your mind, it is impossible for Streit to be traded right now.

Hextall does not want to jack young player around, especially a 19 year old in Provorov. He does not want a player that is not AHL eligible, going back to juniors after starting in the NHL. The best thing for the Flyers is for MacDonald to be playing in the NHL. He also doesn't want to trade prove NHL defenseman, only to find out later that they young players aren't ready. This upcoming season is not a throw away season. Gostisbehere was 23 when he came up. Big difference between 19 and 23.
- MJL

22, but 75% of big is still pretty big.

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=122787

I think we keep looking at the old Read and thinking 20 goals is coming back.

These past two seasons he has been subar for most of the season except a few good games. He doesn't seem to be a threat anymore on the PK and doesn't seem to be much of a threat at 5v5 anymore. His speed has taken a hit and there is really no physical play from him.

If he and Vandevelde were making the same money he would probably be in the same roster crunch as Vandevelde. Also he is 30 so he is now starting on the back part of his career.

I think the hope for Read comes form the fact he has the cap hit he does. For me Read and Vandevelde are about the same after the past two seasons and need to have good camps or face being waived. Despite the money owed.
- J35Bacher

Last year's numbers

Dale Weise
11 ES Goals
21 ES Points
0.7 Corsi rel

Matt Read
9 ES Goals
19 ES Points
2.7 Corsi rel

Chris Vandevelde
1 ES Goal
13 ES Points
-6.1 Corsi rel

Which one of these is not like the others?

Matt Read had the toughest usage and the lowest team on ice shooting percentage.

It never dawned on me that Bill was listing the lines as #1 through #4 on a depth chart.

And where is Hagg?
- MBFlyerfan

Possibly boning hot Swedish ladies and/or pillaging the Eastern coast of England on his longboat.

It could also mean he is older and more established when he gets his big contract. I really think the timing of a player entering the league has less to do with contract value than initially perceived. It is more about timing/luck and general salary cap state of the team.

If someone plays two years in the AHL and needs a bridge deal before signing long term, I think that cap hit will usually higher after the bridge deal than if they signed one right after the ELC
- YuenglingJagr

UFA status is always going to be leverage for a player in contract negotiations. If Provorov makes the team at 19, he reaches UFA status a year earlier, at 26, versus 27. I agree, I don't think there is a set formula.

Possibly boning hot Swedish ladies and/or pillaging the Eastern coast of England on his longboat.
- jmatchett383

like the volvo chick...great work Robert...good snag

Surprised with Fazleev being down at the 4th line. Sure he's got some actual defensive ability but offensively he also put up better offensive numbers than a couple of the centers ahead of him in lines and wasn't an over ager.
- Yosimar89

I wouldn't read too much into that. He's playing with Leier and Lyubimov who are the forwards most likely to make the Flyers this year.

Those ohh so rare.

"Shut down forwards".

Sigh

UFA status is always going to be leverage for a player in contract negotiations. If Provorov makes the team at 19, he reaches UFA status a year earlier, at 26, versus 27. I agree, I don't think there is a set formula.
- MJL

I may have misinterpreted what you said then, but I don't think that him reaching UFA status at 26 vs 27 will have much of an effect on what his cap hit is