anyone else getting the volvo ad with the smoking hot redhead?
- YuenglingJagr

I have the keebler fudge stripe cookies

Would you move Streit rightt now for a 4th rd pick if the opportunity was there?
- rinaldo

Nope, at worst he is a good influence on the young defensemen and best case scenario he plays similar to his level prior to the crotch injury and fetches a decent pick or picks at the deadline.

They have to be siginificantly better, to force Hextall to keep them, in my opinion. With the way contracts are these days, good players are getting big contracts right out of their EL deals, so I don't think it's as big of an issue at it used to be. Provorov is 19 I believe, so having him not make the team this year could delay when he reaches UFA status
- MJL

Even if they're only slightly better than Manning, Schultz and MacDonald, it makes more sense for them to play in the NHL because it will mean they're 3rd pairing capable. Getting 12-15 minutes per night in the NHL will be better for development than 20-25 minutes in the AHL or the WHL. IMHO!!!

What if Morin is never better than a third pairing defenseman? Does that mean they just never call him up?

who is going to trade for Streit at this juncture?
- rinaldo

A team that has an injury and needs a proven PP quarterback. Before his own injury last year, he had 108 points over his previous 186 games. That's pretty damn good in today's NHL.

Even if they're only slightly better than Manning, Schultz and MacDonald, it makes more sense for them to play in the NHL because it will mean they're 3rd pairing capable. Getting 12-15 minutes per night in the NHL will be better for development than 20-25 minutes in the AHL or the WHL. IMHO!!!

What if Morin is never better than a third pairing defenseman? Does that mean they just never call him up?
- PhillySportsGuy

Schultz can still work a PK and is considered a plus lockeroom guy.

If they want to make room for Provorov and there are no injuries on the defense between now and opening night, then Schultz at 50% ($1.125m) might be the easiest move to make.
- Feanor

It's hard to trade defenseman right before the season starts. Teams are usually loaded up at that position, don't want to take on another contract and many are pretty close to the cap ceiling. I think many teams would be happy to take Schultz at that number, just not at that particular time.

- Streit2ThePoint

When Gus walked out of the explosion like everything was fine, I was about to be livid™

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edit: list it
- Streit2ThePoint

Literally every stat

There is a pretty significant difference between Read and VDV
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think that difference is as big right now. Maybe in the past.

When Gus walked out of the explosion like everything was fine, I was about to be livid™
- PhillySportsGuy

that scene confused me and seemed out of place, IMHO.

Should have shown his headless corpse or something.

Even if they're only slightly better than Manning, Schultz and MacDonald, it makes more sense for them to play in the NHL because it will mean they're 3rd pairing capable. Getting 12-15 minutes per night in the NHL will be better for development than 20-25 minutes in the AHL or the WHL. IMHO!!!

What if Morin is never better than a third pairing defenseman? Does that mean they just never call him up?
- PhillySportsGuy

I disagree. If they're only slightly better in pre-season action, that is going to give Hextall doubt. Also have to factor in the long grind of an NHL season. They'll have to show that they're significantly better to make the team. Especially those players who can play in the ahl.

I don't think that difference is as big right now. Maybe in the past.
- J35Bacher

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Everyone seems to be giving so much love to Weise. Weise's best statistical season is similar to Read's worst.

that scene confused me and seemed out of place, IMHO.

Should have shown his headless corpse or something.
- Streit2ThePoint

I actually liked it. Gus walking out and adjusting his tie despite having half of his face blown off was the perfect "Everything is fine" moment.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Everyone seems to be giving so much love to Weise. Weise's best statistical season is similar to Read's worst.
- PhillySportsGuy

Read is better offensively IMHO, but Weise has speed and grit and can be played on all four lines IMO

I disagree. If they're only slightly better in pre-season action, that is going to give Hextall doubt. Also have to factor in the long grind of an NHL season. They'll have to show that they're significantly better to make the team. Especially those players who can play in the ahl.
- MJL

I understand Hexy not wanting to bring a guy up then have to send him back down, but it can easily be done with Sanheim and Morin. Provorov can be sent back to Juniors as well. MacDonald will easily clear waivers and if he doesn't then Yay™, so there isn't much to lose by playing one of those guys in the regular lineup to start the season. The only drawback is a potential loss in confidence if they struggle to start the season and have to be sent down.

I think we were a bit spoiled by Ghost just coming in and lighting the world on fire. No matter when you bring up young defensemen, it's rarely as seamless of a transition as Ghost displayed. They will need to be thrown into the fire eventually.

Read is better offensively IMHO, but Weise has speed and grit and can be played on all four lines IMO
- Streit2ThePoint

I think Weise will end up scoring more goals than Read (he'll probably have more opportunities), but I still think what Read brings to the team is equally or more important than Weise.

In regards to VDV, he literally brings nothing to the team on the ice. He's obviously a great guy and works hard, but he's simply not good enough to be in the NHL IMHO!!!

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. Everyone seems to be giving so much love to Weise. Weise's best statistical season is similar to Read's worst.
- PhillySportsGuy

I was comparing Read and Vandevelde.

I think Weise will end up scoring more goals than Read (he'll probably have more opportunities), but I still think what Read brings to the team is equally or more important than Weise.

In regards to VDV, he literally brings nothing to the team on the ice. He's obviously a great guy and works hard, but he's simply not good enough to be in the NHL IMHO!!!
- PhillySportsGuy

I think Weise will have more opportunities and will be on Giroux's line every once in a while.

I've been on record displaying my dislike for Read but I will agree that I'd rather have him in the lineup than VDV

I know anything can happen, but the Flyers don't appear to be playing for Lord Stanley this year. So really, what's the rush? I'm just as anxious to see the youngsters as much as everyone else on here, but I can't see one of these guys making that big of a difference in their chances

Maybe a Ghost like impact that gets you from the bubble to wild card, but not the SCF. Just my 2 cents

Would you move Streit rightt now for a 4th rd pick if the opportunity was there?
- rinaldo

Not a chance.

I think Weise will end up scoring more goals than Read (he'll probably have more opportunities), but I still think what Read brings to the team is equally or more important than Weise.

In regards to VDV, he literally brings nothing to the team on the ice. He's obviously a great guy and works hard, but he's simply not good enough to be in the NHL IMHO!!!
- PhillySportsGuy

I think we keep looking at the old Read and thinking 20 goals is coming back.

These past two seasons he has been subar for most of the season except a few good games. He doesn't seem to be a threat anymore on the PK and doesn't seem to be much of a threat at 5v5 anymore. His speed has taken a hit and there is really no physical play from him.

If he and Vandevelde were making the same money he would probably be in the same roster crunch as Vandevelde. Also he is 30 so he is now starting on the back part of his career.

I think the hope for Read comes form the fact he has the cap hit he does. For me Read and Vandevelde are about the same after the past two seasons and need to have good camps or face being waived. Despite the money owed.

I actually liked it. Gus walking out and adjusting his tie despite having half of his face blown off was the perfect "Everything is fine" moment.
- PhillySportsGuy

Loved that scene.

The way Gilligan did it made it even more memorable.

Even if they're only slightly better than Manning, Schultz and MacDonald, it makes more sense for them to play in the NHL because it will mean they're 3rd pairing capable. Getting 12-15 minutes per night in the NHL will be better for development than 20-25 minutes in the AHL or the WHL. IMHO!!!

What if Morin is never better than a third pairing defenseman? Does that mean they just never call him up?
- PhillySportsGuy

I think that he only meant that with respect to the CHL guys since their ELCs have not kicked in. If Morin is one of the best 6 defensemen, he should be getting a spot.

I understand Hexy not wanting to bring a guy up then have to send him back down, but it can easily be done with Sanheim and Morin. Provorov can be sent back to Juniors as well. MacDonald will easily clear waivers and if he doesn't then Yay™, so there isn't much to lose by playing one of those guys in the regular lineup to start the season. The only drawback is a potential loss in confidence if they struggle to start the season and have to be sent down.

I think we were a bit spoiled by Ghost just coming in and lighting the world on fire. No matter when you bring up young defensemen, it's rarely as seamless of a transition as Ghost displayed. They will need to be thrown into the fire eventually.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hextall does not want to jack young player around, especially a 19 year old in Provorov. He does not want a player that is not AHL eligible, going back to juniors after starting in the NHL. The best thing for the Flyers is for MacDonald to be playing in the NHL. He also doesn't want to trade prove NHL defenseman, only to find out later that they young players aren't ready. This upcoming season is not a throw away season. Gostisbehere was 23 when he came up. Big difference between 19 and 23.

I have the keebler fudge stripe cookies
- Streit2ThePoint

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