Only if Streit is traded, IMO. The Flyers really, really do not want to waive MacDonald again and the bar is being set pretty high for Provorov to make it. A just OK camp (basically the equivalent how he played in the Memorial Cup) won't be enough. He will have to excel (basically the equivalent of his WJC and play for the final 3/4 of last season).
- bmeltzer

who is going to trade for Streit at this juncture?

I think the odds of Provorov making the team, are stacked against him. Wouldn't be disappointed to see him beat those odds.

who is going to trade for Streit at this juncture?
- rinaldo

It would be similiar to the Timonen scenario, insofar as, it would be a contending team who wants a veteran presence in the lockerroom. Streit could strictly be a PP specialist on a contending team looking at an extended playoff run. He can still fire the puck.

It would be similiar to the Timonen scenario, insofar as, it would be a contending team who wants a veteran presence in the lockerroom. Streit could strictly be a PP specialist on a contending team looking at an extended playoff run. He can still fire the puck.
- johndewar

yes at the deadline, not right now imo.

who is going to trade for Streit at this juncture?
- rinaldo

A team that wants Streit

yes at the deadline, not right now imo.
- rinaldo

I would think.

Unless someone has an injury in camp or something. Then it could be sooner.

A serviceable player on an expiring contract is a tradeable commodity. Especially a guy like Streit, who can still work the PP and is considered a plus lockerroom guy.

A team that wants Streit
- YuenglingJagr

is that right. good insight

How has Streit looked in World Cup? haven't been able to catch a Team Europe game yet

I would think.

Unless someone has an injury in camp or something. Then it could be sooner.

A serviceable player on an expiring contract is a tradeable commodity. Especially a guy like Streit, who can still work the PP and is considered a plus lockerroom guy.
- johndewar

well I was reading it like he has to be traded before the season starts for the rushkie to make it base don what Bill said.

I am sure if he is healthy he will some value to a team. I am not convinced the flyers want to move him though.

I would think.

Unless someone has an injury in camp or something. Then it could be sooner.

A serviceable player on an expiring contract is a tradeable commodity. Especially a guy like Streit, who can still work the PP and is considered a plus lockerroom guy.
- johndewar

Ekblad replacement for Florida.

well I was reading it like he has to be traded before the season starts for the rushkie to make it base don what Bill said.

I am sure if he is healthy he will some value to a team. I am not convinced the flyers want to move him though.
- rinaldo

Yes, Provorov either has to make the team out of camp or wait until his WHL season is over to play for the Flyers (or Phantoms if he waits until his WHL season is over).

The fourth line in that rookie game seems to have the fortelling of a future shutdown line for the Flyers. Luby and Fazleev have been rumored to be very good defensive forwards. Might be fun to see them together now.

I would think.

Unless someone has an injury in camp or something. Then it could be sooner.

A serviceable player on an expiring contract is a tradeable commodity. Especially a guy like Streit, who can still work the PP and is considered a plus lockerroom guy.
- johndewar

Schultz can still work a PK and is considered a plus lockeroom guy.

If they want to make room for Provorov and there are no injuries on the defense between now and opening night, then Schultz at 50% ($1.125m) might be the easiest move to make.

Ekblad replacement for Florida.
- jmatchett383

They do have a huge amount of cap space after getting rid of Bolland.

Yes, Provorov either has to make the team out of camp or wait until his WHL season is over to play for the Flyers (or Phantoms if he waits until his WHL season is over).
- jmatchett383

Would you move Streit rightt now for a 4th rd pick if the opportunity was there?

I agree.

Vandevelde and Read are nice guys but I think the bottom 6 is almost a battle for all spots. now I know Raffl and Bellemare might have a more secure footing and Weise was just signed but all the others seem to be open. Cousins and Laughton could be battling each other too unless Laughton shifts to wing.

A Wild card could be Konecny. If he sticks, heard he looks a little bigger, he could shift the lineup as he could play in the top 6 on the 2nd line or possibly the 3rd line.
- J35Bacher

There is a pretty significant difference between Read and VDV

Would you move Streit rightt now for a 4th rd pick if the opportunity was there?
- rinaldo

Not with half the WC and all of preseason left to play. Gudas is already injured, so it's not worth risking our depth on defense for a 4th rounder.

There is a pretty significant difference between Read and VDV
- PhillySportsGuy

list them


edit: list it

Only if Streit is traded, IMO. The Flyers really, really do not want to waive MacDonald again and the bar is being set pretty high for Provorov to make it. A just OK camp (basically the equivalent how he played in the Memorial Cup) won't be enough. He will have to excel (basically the equivalent of his WJC and play for the final 3/4 of last season).
- bmeltzer

I understand Hexy's "You have to earn everything out of camp" mentality, but it almost feels like he wants these guys to be top 4 or top pairing defensemen right out of the gate in order to make the roster. Most 18-21 year olds break in as third pairing/bottom 6 players then work their way up. There should be realistic spots to win. Even if these guys excel in preseason they will always have the "Well, vets don't really try in preseason, so take it with a grain of salt" qualifier.

I understand the idea of thorough development in the minors, but you only get so many years with these guys on dirt cheap contracts. They may not want to demote MacDonald again, but keeping him on the roster or sending him down for Provorov, Morin or Sanheim will have virtually no impact on the cap (around $200k or less). We know what we have in MacDonald and Schultz. If Provorov, Morin or Sanheim are better than both of them in camp, then it's a no brainer.

I understand why he'll need to excel in camp to make the team, but I simply disagree with Hextall's opinion that a player's development won't stagnate by sending him back to juniors. Players can get away with what has worked for them in the past at the lower level and possibly develop bad habits. From everything I've seen and heard, he's better than most of the Flyers d already! I think the age rule for the AHL is stupid, though I comprehend why it's in place. I know it takes longer for D to mature and be ready for the NHL game, so why won't a guy like Koneckny make the team? Our bottom six isn't anything to write home about and an injection of speed and tenacity would do the team some good! After G, Simmonds, Schenn and Jake, the offensive takes a nose dive from the forwards.
- aantny88

Hextall has said on record that a concern with sending Provorov back would be complacency because he's too good for that league.

who is going to trade for Streit at this juncture?
- rinaldo

Hexsteal found takers for Vinny and Rinaldo, so have faith.

I understand Hexy's "You have to earn everything out of camp" mentality, but it almost feels like he wants these guys to be top 4 or top pairing defensemen right out of the gate in order to make the roster. Most 18-21 year olds break in as third pairing/bottom 6 players then work their way up. There should be realistic spots to win. Even if these guys excel in preseason they will always have the "Well, vets don't really try in preseason, so take it with a grain of salt" qualifier.

I understand the idea of thorough development in the minors, but you only get so many years with these guys on dirt cheap contracts. They may not want to demote MacDonald again, but keeping him on the roster or sending him down for Provorov, Morin or Sanheim will have virtually no impact on the cap (around $200k or less). We know what we have in MacDonald and Schultz. If Provorov, Morin or Sanheim are better than both of them in camp, then it's a no brainer.
- PhillySportsGuy

I am in agreement. I think it would be ideal to filter the newbs in slowly rather than letting them all sit and marinate and then throw them all to the fire.

Basically I think the amount of time the Flyers introduce them all into the lineup will be just as important as the amount of time they get to spend in the AHL/junior. One of them will have to take on a larger role if they try sheltering the one that is struggling or new to the NHL

I understand Hexy's "You have to earn everything out of camp" mentality, but it almost feels like he wants these guys to be top 4 or top pairing defensemen right out of the gate in order to make the roster. Most 18-21 year olds break in as third pairing/bottom 6 players then work their way up. There should be realistic spots to win. Even if these guys excel in preseason they will always have the "Well, vets don't really try in preseason, so take it with a grain of salt" qualifier.

I understand the idea of thorough development in the minors, but you only get so many years with these guys on dirt cheap contracts. They may not want to demote MacDonald again, but keeping him on the roster or sending him down for Provorov, Morin or Sanheim will have virtually no impact on the cap (around $200k or less). We know what we have in MacDonald and Schultz. If Provorov, Morin or Sanheim are better than both of them in camp, then it's a no brainer.
- PhillySportsGuy

They have to be siginificantly better, to force Hextall to keep them, in my opinion. With the way contracts are these days, good players are getting big contracts right out of their EL deals, so I don't think it's as big of an issue at it used to be. Provorov is 19 I believe, so having him not make the team this year could delay when he reaches UFA status

anyone else getting the volvo ad with the smoking hot redhead?

It would be similiar to the Timonen scenario, insofar as, it would be a contending team who wants a veteran presence in the lockerroom. Streit could strictly be a PP specialist on a contending team looking at an extended playoff run. He can still fire the puck.
- johndewar

I still think Streit has something left in the tank. I just worry that he won't make it through the entire season again. If he's healthy at the Trade Deadline, I can see there being interest in him.

That being said, if he's healthy at the deadline, it probably means he's one of the top 4 dmen on the team and the Flyers are in contention for a playoff spot.

The Flyers should have dealt him last offseason when he was coming off his best season.