So what leve should we be expecting them to produce at?

Like at a Corey Perry, Steven Stamkos level?

Or like a Rick Nash, Zach Parise, Jason Spezza level?
- jak521

well Crosby's cap hit is 8.7, so that's a start

Rebuilder (Carolina/Vancouver):
Giroux:
Top-6 Center (J. Staal/Horvat)
Top-4 veteran defenseman (Faulk/Edler)
B-grade prospect (McKeown/J. Subban)

Jake:
Young top-6 forward (Skinner/Virtanen)
2nd + 3rd

Middle of the pack (Montreal/Anaheim):
Giroux:
Top-6 young forward (Shaw/Silfverberg)
High ceiling prospect (Fucale/Theodore)
2nd

Jake:
Top-6 forward (Desharnais/Cogliano)
2nd +3rd

Contender (Tampa Bay/San Jose)
Giroux:
Young Top-6 forward (Palat/Hertl)
1st
Prospect (Koekkoek/Meier)
Jake:
Young Top-6 forward (Palat/Hertl)
Good Prospect (Koekkoek/Meier)

Okay, now everyone tell me how I'm overvaluing them.
- jmatchett383

no but there's no way carolina would want giroux

I'm not sure Bergevin would do Desharnais+2nd for Jake....that's steep.



If we were to trade Jake to Montreal, may I posit, the demand should be something like Chucky+Sergachev for Jake+(2nd? B prospect?)...anything less and no thank you.

Anyone know if they will be streaming the prospect game?
- J35Bacher

I'm curious myself if there'll be a stream on the Flyers page or something...

I'm watching the Sweed PP. H.Sedin would be Jake. D.Sedin would be Simmonds. Ericsson would be Schenn. Can Voracek run a PP like Giroux or Forsberg from the right half way?

I'm not sure Bergevin would do Desharnais+2nd for Jake....that's steep.



If we were to trade Jake to Montreal, may I posit, the demand should be something like Chucky+Sergachev for Jake+(2nd? B prospect?)...anything less and no thank you.
- Mononoke

If we trade Jake, I'm hoping its for the next potential Giroux and/or a more pure shooter to play with Giroux straight up.

I don't want to trade Jake Voracek, I don't....but if we do, I'm selling high. I do believe a Giroux, Simmonds and Schenn line can hold as a top line but Jake is a pretty big piece to this hockey team.

In order (right now) Giroux, Couturier, Mason and Simmonds are more important in terms of what they offer to win a hockey game ahead of Jake.

Rebuilder (Carolina/Vancouver):
Giroux:
Top-6 Center (J. Staal/Horvat)
Top-4 veteran defenseman (Faulk/Edler)
B-grade prospect (McKeown/J. Subban)

Jake:
Young top-6 forward (Skinner/Virtanen)
2nd + 3rd

Middle of the pack (Montreal/Anaheim):
Giroux:
Top-6 young forward (Shaw/Silfverberg)
High ceiling prospect (Fucale/Theodore)
2nd

Jake:
Top-6 forward (Desharnais/Cogliano)
2nd +3rd

Contender (Tampa Bay/San Jose)
Giroux:
Young Top-6 forward (Palat/Hertl)
1st
Prospect (Koekkoek/Meier)
Jake:
Young Top-6 forward (Palat/Hertl)
Good Prospect (Koekkoek/Meier)

Okay, now everyone tell me how I'm overvaluing them.
- jmatchett383

I applaud the amount of detail in your answer and the examples for each category. Was not expecting that, so thank you. Out of all of them, I think I'd go with Giroux to Tampa or Sharks deal

I don't want to trade Jake Voracek, I don't....but if we do, I'm selling high. I do believe a Giroux, Simmonds and Schenn line can hold as a top line but Jake is a pretty big piece to this hockey team.

In order (right now) Giroux, Couturier, Mason and Simmonds are more important in terms of what they offer to win a hockey game ahead of Jake.
- SuperSchennBros

Does that order remain the same if Jake doesn't have a down season last year? Or if he repeated his previous career season?

If it's Canadian dollars, that's not too outlandish compared to the Flyers.
- jmatchett383

They have been taking American and Canadian the same not discounting so I ended up having to get it exchanged..and no the cans up here are 10 oz. Horrible. And it's served warm not cold.

For some late afternoon entertainment, what do you guys think Jake and G invidually could realistically get in return in a trade today?
- arichardson22

mcdavid and dreisietl

Merica!

goal. or something.

price is an overrated hack.

Yikes

quick is an overrated hack.

quick is an overrated hack.
- hammarby31

accurate

i'm waiting for joe the greatest team leader in hockey history pavelski to arrive. is he even in the lineup?

i'm waiting for joe the greatest team leader in hockey history pavelski to arrive. is he even in the lineup?
- hammarby31

Pavelski hasnt played any hockey since the conference finals. That is a loong layoff.

i reiterate that quick is an overrated hack.

RGIII part 2....
- hockeylover

Wentz can already read defenses and played in a pro style offense....

Pavelski hasnt played any hockey since the conference finals. That is a loong layoff.
- MBFlyerfan

i thought i saw him try to do something positive a few minutes ago.

i thought i saw him try to do something positive a few minutes ago.
- hammarby31

What, ask Torts to bench him?

ask Torts to bench him?
- Mononoke

Wow, what was Backes thinking there?

Abdelkader making some delicious grits mmmmmmm