Pretty sure World Cup rosters are getting paid. It's not run by the IIHF. It's an agreement between NHL and NHLPA.
- j.boyd919

I don't think they can since any income from the NHL-run World Cup would count towards HRR as defined by the CBA. So, it can cause the salary cap to go up, but any payments directly to the players would violate the CBA. There may be bonuses paid to the winning team, like in the All Star Game.

But, if it's something worked out legally on the side, that's a different issue.

Also of note, some players (Trouba, Gaudreau) are playing without contracts, and therefore without insurance, meaning that if they get injured severely, they're SOL.

I don't think they can since any income from the NHL-run World Cup would count towards HRR as defined by the CBA. So, it can cause the salary cap to go up, but any payments directly to the players would violate the CBA. There may be bonuses paid to the winning team, like in the All Star Game.

But, if it's something worked out legally on the side, that's a different issue.

Also of note, some players (Trouba, Gaudreau) are playing without contracts, and therefore without insurance, meaning that if they get injured severely, they're SOL.
- jmatchett383

Nope, it's not considered Hockey Revenue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ial-format-204306509.html

The World Cup of Hockey could generate over $100 million in revenue, with the League and the NHLPA splitting it 50/50. There are no cap implications, as the money isn’t considered hockey-related revenue.

Actually I'm fairly surprised at how willingly hockey guys decide to play in these tournaments. Football is a far different sport, but I could never see those guys ever taking injury risks for no pay. Its all about getting to the league ASAP and trying to get to your 2nd contract. That is where the money. A guy like McDavid could end his career on any hit and he hasn't been paid yet. I could see a guy like him playing in 12 months after he signs a mega-deal, but right now a hockey injury is very high risks to him. Any career ending injury int he next year costs him his $100 million contract he's likely looking at.

Maata I can understand. He needs the ice time to develop and has already partially paid. Murray I can understand too because he's still developing and trying to earn a pretty big 2nd contract.

Hockey isn't as dangerous as football, but I'm still shocked at how many guys willingly play in these tournaments when these are not the things that will pay them. (football contracts are also not guaranteed so that is a difference).

There are plenty of Shaun Livingstone types who suffer a career altering injury before signing their generational F$ck you money contract.
- sditulli

cuz they don't play hockey only for money maybe?! most of the people playing hockey in nhl (especially canadians) play cuz they love playing hockey and it is what they are good at and getting money for it is great too. but the core for most players is the love for the sport. not the money. Playing for your country is a great honor and something you dream of as a kid (I know I did). so to summerize: Most players play cuz they love to play hockey. not the money

so. what are you guys saying about trying to get Marchand in free agency next year? since the money for marc andre, scuds and kunitz will probably gone. especially considering we might lose someone like hags or horny in the draft.
he seems to be really good with sid and has been for a long time (videos of sid and march training like every year.)

so. what are you guys saying about trying to get Marchand in free agency next year? since the money for marc andre, scuds and kunitz will probably gone. especially considering we might lose someone like hags or horny in the draft.
he seems to be really good with sid and has been for a long time (videos of sid and march training like every year.)
- martox

You have to resign Murray, Dumo, Sheary, Bones and one of Schultz/DP if they show anything good. That won't be cheap.

You have to resign Murray, Dumo, Sheary, Bones and one of Schultz/DP if they show anything good. That won't be cheap.
- Oneonta Penguin

Murray won't get a big contract and neither will sheary. DP will 100% get a cheap bridge contract if he shows he is good (to show it was not a fluke). dumo will get like 4.5 mil or something. bones is the one I am worried about. i could see him get 4 or 5 mil and I personally wouldn't like to pay him that much. but IF dp shows he is good we will 100% lose hags or horny so that is 4 mil. chris kunitz is 3.8 mil. Scudz da ghost is 1.2 mil. marchand could happen if any of daley,schultz or ian cole was traded and dp took the place and some cap tinkering ( cap tinkering being trades).

Murray won't get a big contract and neither will sheary. DP will 100% get a cheap bridge contract if he shows he is good (to show it was not a fluke). dumo will get like 4.5 mil or something. bones is the one I am worried about. i could see him get 4 or 5 mil and I personally wouldn't like to pay him that much. but IF dp shows he is good we will 100% lose hags or horny so that is 4 mil. chris kunitz is 3.8 mil. Scudz da ghost is 1.2 mil. marchand could happen if any of daley,schultz or ian cole was traded and dp took the place and some cap tinkering ( cap tinkering being trades).
- martox

Sheary, if he does what he can with Sid will get 1.25 or something like that. Maybe not break the bank, but at least double his salary. Murray, I disagree with you. I think at worst, he will get a Vasy like deal at 3.5 million. However, if he continues to play at a high level, it will be 4.0 million per. Dumo will get at worst Maatta money, but could be 4.5 as you say. Say Bones is cut in half at 4.5 million, that is a bunch of significant increases and we haven't talked about an increase to either Schultz or DP (not both) if they show anything. If both suck which is possible and Daley plays at a high level, that I would think would be a bigger need than Marchand.

Sheary, if he does what he can with Sid will get 1.25 or something like that. Maybe not break the bank, but at least double his salary. Murray, I disagree with you. I think at worst, he will get a Vasy like deal at 3.5 million. However, if he continues to play at a high level, it will be 4.0 million per. Dumo will get at worst Maatta money, but could be 4.5 as you say. Say Bones is cut in half at 4.5 million, that is a bunch of significant increases and we haven't talked about an increase to either Schultz or DP (not both) if they show anything. If both suck which is possible and Daley plays at a high level, that I would think would be a bigger need than Marchand.
- Oneonta Penguin

LET ME DREAM DAMNIT MAN!!!

Murray won't get a big contract and neither will sheary. DP will 100% get a cheap bridge contract if he shows he is good (to show it was not a fluke). dumo will get like 4.5 mil or something. bones is the one I am worried about. i could see him get 4 or 5 mil and I personally wouldn't like to pay him that much. but IF dp shows he is good we will 100% lose hags or horny so that is 4 mil. chris kunitz is 3.8 mil. Scudz da ghost is 1.2 mil. marchand could happen if any of daley,schultz or ian cole was traded and dp took the place and some cap tinkering ( cap tinkering being trades).
- martox

I still see murray in the 4-6 range if he's good enough that we move fleury this year. Vasilevsky kinda looks like a good comp but his save % has really only been in the .91-.92 range. Murray has posted better than .92 in nhl action. And will be negotiating his contract as the #1 goalie.

If he's over a .92 save % then murray is definitely an offer sheet candidate. Buffalo gave up a 1st for Lehner. He's rfa after this year but his prior contract was 3 years at 2.25 (for rfa years). Toronto gave up a 1st and 2nd for frederick anderson and paid him $5/year. In about 120 games played he's right on a .92 save percent. After this year Murray should have 80-100 NHL games played so if he maintains his save percentage in the .925 range then Anderson becomes a good comp.

Offer sheet of 5 years $25 (which we would obviously match) costs a 1st and 3rd round pick. I'm fairly certain the vast majority of NHL GM's would prefer Matt Murray to Frederick Anderson. A 1st and 3rd round pick is less than Toronto gave up for Anderson.

You have to resign Murray, Dumo, Sheary, Bones and one of Schultz/DP if they show anything good. That won't be cheap.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think Bones is the odd-man out. Anything over 4 for him would make me nervous. I don't want that rat Marchand on this team anyway.

Sheary, if he does what he can with Sid will get 1.25 or something like that. Maybe not break the bank, but at least double his salary. Murray, I disagree with you. I think at worst, he will get a Vasy like deal at 3.5 million. However, if he continues to play at a high level, it will be 4.0 million per. Dumo will get at worst Maatta money, but could be 4.5 as you say. Say Bones is cut in half at 4.5 million, that is a bunch of significant increases and we haven't talked about an increase to either Schultz or DP (not both) if they show anything. If both suck which is possible and Daley plays at a high level, that I would think would be a bigger need than Marchand.
- Oneonta Penguin

I actually thought vasi contract was 3 years 3.5 total. If Murray has a bad year then the vasi contract at 3.5 is his floor. As high as 6 is possible but probably means he actually got offer sheeted after a monster year. If I had to guess he comes in at 4.5.

I just can't see how Murray can get that much money. he is very young (especially for a goalie), is still a rfa AND will have only 1 year of NHL experience after this season.

I just can't see how Murray can get that much money. he is very young (especially for a goalie), is still a rfa AND will have only 1 year of NHL experience after this season.
- martox

NHL Gm's view him fairly highly as a legit franchise guy. If he performs he gets paid. Saying he's rfa means nothing when rfa comp on offer sheets are inline with the assets teams have traded for guys like Lehner and Anderson. Could say the same thing about McDavid. He's young. Doesn't mean he's not worth paying.

A guy like Maata who is more of a secondary core type guy in terms of potential got $4/year. I'd definitely pay a guy whose performing like a top 10 goalie at murrays age more money than Maata.

Sheary, if he does what he can with Sid will get 1.25 or something like that. Maybe not break the bank, but at least double his salary. Murray, I disagree with you. I think at worst, he will get a Vasy like deal at 3.5 million. However, if he continues to play at a high level, it will be 4.0 million per. Dumo will get at worst Maatta money, but could be 4.5 as you say. Say Bones is cut in half at 4.5 million, that is a bunch of significant increases and we haven't talked about an increase to either Schultz or DP (not both) if they show anything. If both suck which is possible and Daley plays at a high level, that I would think would be a bigger need than Marchand.
- Oneonta Penguin

In theory we shouldn't be able to resign everyone from a cup team. The salary cap is suppose to make staying on top very difficult. All depends if guys are willing to take discounts.

lol murray talk about bad luck

murray needs to be swapped. that was just complete garbage posistion. HORRIBLE!

I think Bones is the odd-man out. Anything over 4 for him would make me nervous. I don't want that rat Marchand on this team anyway.
- madmike71

I can't stand Marchand and couldn't even think of rooting for him to prosper as a member of this franchise.

that might have been the last we saw of murray in this tournament

that might have been the last we saw of murray in this tournament
- martox

Yikes. That was bad.

that might have been the last we saw of murray in this tournament
- martox

To be honest ... I'm fine with that.

Yikes. That was bad.
- Thorny87

I know grinder47 is sitting somewhere with the biggest smile on his face he has ever had.

To be honest ... I'm fine with that.
- Oneonta Penguin

I want NA to play the goalie that gives them the best chance of winning.

so. what are you guys saying about trying to get Marchand in free agency next year? since the money for marc andre, scuds and kunitz will probably gone. especially considering we might lose someone like hags or horny in the draft.
he seems to be really good with sid and has been for a long time (videos of sid and march training like every year.)
- martox

We're not in a bad cap spot, but that's in regards to keeping our own guys. We won't have the money to get a big time free agent. Our long run success at LW is pretty intimately tied with the development of in house talent.

cuz they don't play hockey only for money maybe?! most of the people playing hockey in nhl (especially canadians) play cuz they love playing hockey and it is what they are good at and getting money for it is great too. but the core for most players is the love for the sport. not the money. Playing for your country is a great honor and something you dream of as a kid (I know I did). so to summerize: Most players play cuz they love to play hockey. not the money
- martox

Yeah no poop. Listening to people on this thread speak all logically about why thesr guys play hockey is mind boggling. This isn't little league baseball its hockey, when your country asks you play. You don't sit down with a pros and cons list you play.

I know grinder47 is sitting somewhere with the biggest smile on his face he has ever had.
- martox

That's Murray when the team isn't making him look good.