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jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 16 @ 12:45 PM ET
We need games to start so the players play on the ice can do the talking
- TPC


Bambi?

da phuck
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 16 @ 12:46 PM ET
the all time leader in playoff games played in franchise history by a skater. 110 games. Probably 70 of them he was bleeding by the end of the game. Show a little phucking respect.
- jimbro83

One of the last guys you should call bambi

Guys a f'n warrior. Always was!
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 16 @ 12:47 PM ET
One of the last guys you should call bambi

Guys a f'n warrior. Always was!

- 21peter


these Blueshirt Banter people are all morons
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 16 @ 12:48 PM ET
these Blueshirt Banter people are all morons
- jimbro83

He's one of phat Joe's disciples?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Sep 16 @ 12:49 PM ET
these Blueshirt Banter people are all morons
- jimbro83


You need to go stroke your pussies and calm your nuts.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 16 @ 12:50 PM ET
He's one of phat Joe's disciples?
- 21peter


oh yeah he is
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Sep 16 @ 12:52 PM ET
Vancouver still hasn't won a Cup ever right?
- jimbro83



well I suppose that should end that conversation.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Sep 16 @ 12:53 PM ET
Bambi?

da phuck

- jimbro83

I am confused
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Sep 16 @ 12:54 PM ET

They are looking for marriage. Better off getting the hot older drunk lady.

- mdw7413

Its why i said the reception. I always go home happy afterwards
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Sep 16 @ 12:54 PM ET
oh yeah he is
- jimbro83

Fat Joe and the Terror Squad

21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
oh yeah he is
- jimbro83

There's a few good posters there I remember from the Blueshirtsunited days, but most of them blows.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 16 @ 1:07 PM ET
There's a few good posters there I remember from the Blueshirtsunited days, but most of them blows.
- 21peter


the Corsi thing has killed most of the blogging sites, it really has

most bloggers have adopted the fancy stats like crazy Scientologists and you really can't have a decent hockey conversation with anyone about anything else any more, unless of course you are here
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 16 @ 1:13 PM ET
the Corsi thing has killed most of the blogging sites, it really has

most bloggers have adopted the fancy stats like crazy Scientologists and you really can't have a decent hockey conversation with anyone about anything else any more, unless of course you are here

- jimbro83

Sadly you're spot on
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Sep 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
I'll admit I was wrong about ice-time, but if I remember correctly, Yandle was playing much less than Girardi and Staal early in the season and less than McD on the PP, and only McDonaghs concussion changed that, cause he was forced into more minutes. Btw, how does Yandle not fit AV's system, a system that's built on speed and the D being able to move the puck and QB breakouts? He's perfect for the system. Gi and Staal are as bad as you can get for that system. As far as Hayes, the narrative that he was unmotivated is so stupid. Believe me I watched and rewatched every Rangers goal against, and sure he mightve missed some assignments, but it seems like that "lazy" narrative that AV implied was just an excuse to blame him for terrible TEAM defense. Hayes wasn't lazy. He had some of the best shot suppression and possession numbers on the team. He's just young and made mistakes like any young player would do. As for Fast, he played in the top 6 more often than he should've. He had more shifts per game than Kreider and Miller, and had the third highest TOI per shift. His most common linemates were Stepan and Zucc. Yet he only managed 30 pts in 79 games. Believe me, I was on Blueshirt Banter after every game, and eveyone was complaining about how Fast was being used in an offensive role way too much. AV plain and simple made all the wrong moves last year, when he made moves at all. Hopefully he's better this year but I'm not holding my breath.
- SpeedBlue91


Yandle was not a fit for AV's system in that his strength is CARRYING the puck through the neutral zone and the plan called for quick passes to get the puck up. Anytime KY tried that he looked like a spaz.
I agree with the others that I am not saying G and Staal played well last year, but fully expect a rebound out of them. And frankly, your lack of respect and patience for Girardi is appalling. It's true that you can't just live in the past with respect to how guys are playing, but jumping the gun and throwing a true warrior under the bus for being tired and beaten up is just as bad. If G can't turn it around this season, then yes, it's time to make a move. But, that time is not here yet.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Sep 16 @ 1:24 PM ET
Yandle was not a fit for AV's system in that his strength is CARRYING the puck through the neutral zone and the plan called for quick passes to get the puck up. Anytime KY tried that he looked like a spaz.
I agree with the others that I am not saying G and Staal played well last year, but fully expect a rebound out of them. And frankly, your lack of respect and patience for Girardi is appalling. It's true that you can't just live in the past with respect to how guys are playing, but jumping the gun and throwing a true warrior under the bus for being tired and beaten up is just as bad. If G can't turn it around this season, then yes, it's time to make a move. But, that time is not here yet.

- Tonybere

KY was always good in tight spots though. Had a few really important assists in slipping it in the backdoor.
SpeedBlue91
New York Rangers
Location: Union, NJ
Joined: 06.12.2015

Sep 16 @ 1:30 PM ET
the all time leader in playoff games played in franchise history by a skater. 110 games. Probably 70 of them he was bleeding by the end of the game. Show a little phucking respect.
- jimbro83


He is a warrior and has sacrificed his body countless times, and gotten back up, I will give him that. If I had to built the perfect hockey player, I'd use Dan Girardi's heart and toughness no doubt. That does not make him a good defenseman though. He's a great person and teammate, but I'm sorry he's a terrible defenseman who's declining rapidly.
SpeedBlue91
New York Rangers
Location: Union, NJ
Joined: 06.12.2015

Sep 16 @ 1:33 PM ET
One of the last guys you should call bambi

Guys a f'n warrior. Always was!

- 21peter


Yes he is a warrior for sure. I call him Bambi because of the way he's always sprawled on the ice trying to block shots instead of positioning himself correctly the way a Stralman or Vlasic would do.
SpeedBlue91
New York Rangers
Location: Union, NJ
Joined: 06.12.2015

Sep 16 @ 1:36 PM ET
Yandle was not a fit for AV's system in that his strength is CARRYING the puck through the neutral zone and the plan called for quick passes to get the puck up. Anytime KY tried that he looked like a spaz.
I agree with the others that I am not saying G and Staal played well last year, but fully expect a rebound out of them. And frankly, your lack of respect and patience for Girardi is appalling. It's true that you can't just live in the past with respect to how guys are playing, but jumping the gun and throwing a true warrior under the bus for being tired and beaten up is just as bad. If G can't turn it around this season, then yes, it's time to make a move. But, that time is not here yet.

- Tonybere


I have plenty of respect for Girardi. I think he is a great person and teammate. But he has never been a good positional dman and his declining athleticism is showing that he just can't keep up with forwards in this league. And he certainly can't make a quick, smart decision with the puck. I don't think he made one outlet pass on target all year last year.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 16 @ 1:38 PM ET
I have plenty of respect for Girardi. I think he is a great person and teammate. But he has never been a good positional dman and his declining athleticism is showing that he just can't keep up with forwards in this league. And he certainly can't make a quick, smart decision with the puck. I don't think he made one outlet pass on target all year last year.
- SpeedBlue91


last year's bad season doesn't retroactively make Dan Girardi's entire career bad

this is what you Corsi guys do constantly
SpeedBlue91
New York Rangers
Location: Union, NJ
Joined: 06.12.2015

Sep 16 @ 1:43 PM ET
Btw, I would LOVE if Girardi and Staal proved me wrong and bounced back to their old, tolerable forms. Lord knows we need it. I will be rooting hard for Gi and Staal to play good, I just personally don't see them getting much better.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 16 @ 1:47 PM ET
Vancouver still hasn't won a Cup ever right?
- jimbro83

smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Sep 16 @ 1:48 PM ET
last year's bad season doesn't retroactively make Dan Girardi's entire career bad

this is what you Corsi guys do constantly

- jimbro83



This sounds like anti-Italian rhetoric.
SpeedBlue91
New York Rangers
Location: Union, NJ
Joined: 06.12.2015

Sep 16 @ 1:53 PM ET
last year's bad season doesn't retroactively make Dan Girardi's entire career bad

this is what you Corsi guys do constantly

- jimbro83


His entire career hasn't been bad. Its just his declining athleticism and speed are now exposing flaws in his defensive game that he could get away with when he was younger. He's just not a top pairing dman, and I don't know if he ever was.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Sep 16 @ 2:04 PM ET
http://nypost.com/2016/09...-trading-closest-friends/

Zucc seems pretty pissed Rangers keep trading his friends
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Sep 16 @ 2:13 PM ET
"Got to use all 5 fingers." "No hesitation, just jam them right in there."
- mdw7413


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