Wow!! This is a hot one today. I literally can't hit the refresh button fast enough! (and my productivity seems to be taking a hit today!)

How do sites like ownthepuck get their data? No way they employ enough people to watch nearly 2500 games. Box scores are not detailed enough and stat collection from the nhl is shoddy at best.

if anyone has ever even watched one hockey game, you know that the team winning in the later stages of a game almost always protects the lead, and the team trailing "posseses the puck" in an effort to make a comeback.

in fact, actually scoring a goal gives up possession, so, in this crazy possession crazed world, the key is not to score but hang onto the puck
- jimbro83

A lot of stats are sorted by situation. Tie, leading, down by a goal.

Kicks puppies and spits on children too. Also as soon as he was traded to the Devils Newarks economy regressed and crime rate shot up out of control. NJ already misses Larssons calming influence.
- smellmyfinger

I hear Taylor Hall hates Pork Roll

Sakic is a trash GM, Duchene has an attitude problem, the Avs stink, and my wife left me.
- eichiefs9

Josh Bailey for Art Ross

A lot of stats are sorted by situation. Tie, leading, down by a goal.
- sbroads24

which is why I dismiss any Oiler having positive possession stats, because they are always losing

I hear Taylor Hall hates Pork Roll
- DDM-Coga

Oh, I am definitely going to throw that one into the mix on the Rangers page at some point!!

I hear Taylor Hall hates Pork Roll
- DDM-Coga

Time to trade him and our next three firsts for the best center in the league, Barkov.

I hear Taylor Hall hates Pork Roll
- DDM-Coga

Now you (frank)ing did it.

He posted TOI vs one player from each team, forgetting every other teams 2nd best players (which on some teams, are also elite.)... that says nothing.
- j.boyd919

sure some nights he has to face Malkin...not many teams are icing 3 good lines.

Gardiner's Top 10

BELESKEY, MATT
KREJCI, DAVID
ERIKSSON, LOUI
BROWN, J.T.
BOYLE, BRIAN
LARSSON, JOHAN
MALKIN, EVGENI
JOHANSSON, MARCUS
JOHNSON, TYLER
SMITH, REILLY

Rielly's Top 10
Marchand
Bergeron
Stamkos
Huberdeau
Barkov
Tavares
Jagr
Kane
Ovechkin

When we get to the next 10...it get's even better.

Gardiner played with Phaneuf 1/2 the time - Rielly played with Hunwick.

So ya...lets play the compare game when guys are competing and playing with a lot different talent.

That surprised me actually. I will admit you are right about this one. That makes one for you 634 for me.
- James_Tanner

That's a pretty exact number. Do you have stats to back it up?
I kid, I kid

And they are wrong IMO.

Advanced stat guys ALWAYS say how the league is 5% elite or high level players, and 95% relatively the same. SO again, how does one guy, getting 80% of the minutes against the top 5%, not get effected differently than a guy that rarely faces that top 5%. It's ludicrous, and borderline dumb to say otherwise **IMO**
- sbroads24

http://nhlnumbers.com/201...-metric-based-on-ice-time

https://hockey-graphs.com...real-and-its-spectacular/

https://hockey-graphs.com...d-quality-of-competition/

http://nhlnumbers.com/201...of-quality-of-competition

A couple other QoC articles IF you're interested.

That surprised me actually. I will admit you are right about this one. That makes one for you 634 for me.
- James_Tanner

I think i'm 634/634 so you believe what you want....it gives some people work so I don't mind the insanity.

Taylor Hall is too one dimensional and scoring is really he only asset.

Can he shutdown top players - no.
Does he defend well - Not really.
Does he kill penalties - No
Does he bring a physical element - No
Does he score clutch/GWG - Nope.
Leadership/attitude - meh, not strong here either.
Experience/success in the playoffs or on the big stage - limited

Team Canada isn't lacking offensive talent in the least. They have it in spades, butt the biggest asset is all the other things their players bring to the table. Leaders on their teams that usually play the tough minutes and drive their teams to wins. Taylor Hall might be that someday, but still plays a bit of an immature game IMO.

Now you (frank)ing did it.
- mdw7413

hes more a fried bologna kind of guy

K. Bye.
- j.boyd919

hes more a fried bologna kind of guy
- DDM-Coga

- homiedclown

sure some nights he has to face Malkin...not many teams are icing 3 good lines.

Gardiner's Top 10

BELESKEY, MATT
KREJCI, DAVID
ERIKSSON, LOUI
BROWN, J.T.
BOYLE, BRIAN
LARSSON, JOHAN
MALKIN, EVGENI
JOHANSSON, MARCUS
JOHNSON, TYLER
SMITH, REILLY

Rielly's Top 10
Marchand
Bergeron
Stamkos
Huberdeau
Barkov
Tavares
Jagr
Kane
Ovechkin

When we get to the next 10...it get's even better.

Gardiner played with Phaneuf 1/2 the time - Rielly played with Hunwick.

So ya...lets play the compare game when guys are competing and playing with a lot different talent.
- Garnie

Thanks for joining the discussion, instead of being a pretentious douche. I'd much rather have this post.



Yes you are right, Reilly did face much better competition, via this list. Now to go further, is this only 5v5 time, or does it include PK/PP?

hes more a fried bologna kind of guy
- DDM-Coga

...that a joke?
- MattStrat

It's right in there in the Corsi....don't you see it?

- DDM-Coga

Josh Bailey for Art Ross
- DDM-Coga

What's Ross's cap hit?

What's Ross's cap hit?
- eichiefs9