Bowman would never let Panarin get to offer sheets, same thing he did with Saad

He will trade him for the best package out there before the offer sheet window opens
- hawkeytalkman

And what did Bowan get for Saad?
"In return, the Blackhawks got Artem Anisimov, Marko Dano, Jeremy Morin, Corey Tropp and a fourth-round selection in the 2016 NHL Draft. "

IE. other than AA...a bunch of nothing. He got fleeced in that trade and as we all know, no one is doing this team any favors.

And what did Bowan get for Saad?
"In return, the Blackhawks got Artem Anisimov, Marko Dano, Jeremy Morin, Corey Tropp and a fourth-round selection in the 2016 NHL Draft. "

IE. other than AA...a bunch of nothing. He got fleeced in that trade.
- Murph76

I wouldn't forget that Dano and a 1st got the Hawks Andrew Ladd as a rental.

I wouldn't forget that Dano and a 1st got the Hawks Andrew Ladd as a rental.
- EKB13

Right, a rental. I personally and kind of sick of seeing players come to this team for a few months and then bail. It'd be nice to secure a quality player for more than 1 season.

And what did Bowan get for Saad?
"In return, the Blackhawks got Artem Anisimov, Marko Dano, Jeremy Morin, Corey Tropp and a fourth-round selection in the 2016 NHL Draft. "

IE. other than AA...a bunch of nothing.
- Murph76

Hindsight is 20/20

At the time, many raved about the inclusion of Dano, a 1st round pick that had 21 pts in 35 games in his first NHL stint the year before. Just because he didnt pan out like we hoped in Chicago doesnt mean it wasnt a good return at the time. Dano was pretty coveted before the trade. At the time the trade on paper was a top 6 forward and a top 6 forward prospect

You could say the same for Daley in the Sharp trade. Daley was supposed to be a top 4 dman that was an offensive catalyst. In hindsight he clearly didnt work out in Chicago and Q never really gave him a shot.

Look at what he turned into with Pittburgh. If he was playing like he did with Pitt before we traded for him and everyone found out we were getting THAT Daley in return for Sharp do you think people would be complaining? Probably not.

None of those trades at the time was just pure useless crap coming back in return.

Hindsight is 20/20

At the time, many raved about the inclusion of Dano, a 1st round pick that had 21 pts in 35 games in his first NHL stint the year before. Just because he didnt pan out like we hoped in Chicago doesnt mean it wasnt a good return at the time. Dano was pretty coveted before the trade. At the time the trade on paper was a top 6 forward and a top 6 forward prospect

You could say the same for Daley in the Sharp trade. Daley was supposed to be a top 4 dman that was an offensive catalyst. In hindsight he clearly didnt work out in Chicago and Q never really gave him a shot.

Look at what he turned into with Pittburgh. If he was playing like he did with Pitt before we traded for him and everyone found out we were getting THAT Daley in return for Sharp do you think people would be complaining? Probably not.

None of those trades at the time was just pure useless crap coming back in return.
- hawkeytalkman

And that right there is why I have high hopes for Panik. He's playing with his hero in Hossa and has the size and speed, to be a top 6 winger. Does he have the skill? Is he in the right system? Will he work hard enough? I don't know, but what I saw last year gave me hope.

You need cap space to pay quality players, which the Hawks don't have that, as they are paying their core the salary they handed out. The Blackhawks are not going to land many quality/proven players for peanuts. Sure, you might get a past their prime vet now and then, for cheaper, but what the Hawks need isn't in their budget. You can either sign some reclamation project vets or take chances with some younger players. I personally don't mind going with a few younger players, as the core of team has a lot of experience at this point and could use some young legs to help keep the pace moving. We've seen the Hawks fill holes with some old/slow 35+ players over the last few years and it is tougher now that the core of the team is past or approaching 30.

NHL Numbers isn't my fav source of information, but they currently have Chicago listed as the oldest average age in the NHL. I don't know how they count it exactly, so the Hawks might not be the oldest when it comes to opening day roster, but far from the youngest anymore. We know the Hawks roster is on the smaller side and it seems like on average the team speed isn't as blazing fast as it once was. I wouldn't mind seeing some younger legs in the lineup to maybe help with the forecheck and provide some energy.

http://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-free-agent-forwards-pto/

this list makes you really wish we could have gotten Hudler.
- kmw4631

I still think Korpikoski could be a good candidate for a PTO. He averaged almost 2:00 minutes of PK time per game and but up decent bottom 6 numbers. He's not the answer to the 1LW dilemma, but he could be a good insurance policy.

I liked what I saw of Kero. Seemed to have a clue. Maybe they try him with 19+81 and he surprises a bit.

I liked what I saw of Kero. Seemed to have a clue. Maybe they try him with 19+81 and he surprises a bit.
- 6628

It's worth a shot.

You need cap space to pay quality players, which the Hawks don't have that, as they are paying their core the salary they handed out. The Blackhawks are not going to land many quality/proven players for peanuts. Sure, you might get a past their prime vet now and then, for cheaper, but what the Hawks need isn't in their budget. You can either sign some reclamation project vets or take chances with some younger players. I personally don't mind going with a few younger players, as the core of team has a lot of experience at this point and could use some young legs to help keep the pace moving. We've seen the Hawks fill holes with some old/slow 35+ players over the last few years and it is tougher now that the core of the team is past or approaching 30.

NHL Numbers isn't my fav source of information, but they currently have Chicago listed as the oldest average age in the NHL. I don't know how they count it exactly, so the Hawks might not be the oldest when it comes to opening day roster, but far from the youngest anymore. We know the Hawks roster is on the smaller side and it seems like on average the team speed isn't as blazing fast as it once was. I wouldn't mind seeing some younger legs in the lineup to maybe help with the forecheck and provide some energy.
- breadbag

bringing back Rozy and Soupy definitely heavily titled that

Gustav Forsling is a left shot who plays both sides....

Was this ever proven out?

Hard for me to believe that Yzerman was ever really going to move a #3 overall pick with LOADS of potential - 20 years old - no matter HOW much trouble he was causing at the time - especially for another young player who hadn't proven anything in the Show either.
- StLBravesFan

Great question. Does anyone have the low-down on what chances we had (if any) to get Drouin or was it all someone's damp dream?

Remember the last goalie the Hawks moved to #1 on the basis of one strong playoff run?

C. Huet
- Return of the Roar

Thats funny only because Crawford had only 8 games played total before they gave him the job.

Drouin was never really on the market.

If he had held out he would have been traded at the draft.

That was as much of a media spin as
jimmy Vesey was still gonna sign with Buffalo.
Or any other team had an inside track...for weeks you heard countless blow harts claim inside nf that he was going here r there or NOT here or there...

It is all about scribes surmising and filling printed word to look full of incite when like Drouin trade talks were full of something else....

Using the offer sheet rules, a player offered a salary of $5.6-7.5MM AAV is worth one first, one second and one third round pick.

Gives you a ball park value anyway.
- Return of the Roar

Also something to consider, if i remember right, the AAV is only based on 5 years. If its anything over that its total salary/5.

So if someone offers Panarin ~6.7 mil or above for 7 years we get 4 1st round picks. If the offer him ~7.8 for 6 years then we get 4 1st

Thats funny only because Crawford had only 8 games played total before they gave him the job.
- the_dough_boy

except Crawford was a guy developed through the system and played 255 professional games in the AHL before being the NHL starter. (303 AHL/NHL games combined before given the full time starter role)

its hardly the same as Scott Darling who, 4 years ago, was goaltending for a beer league pretty much.

I like Darling and all, but there is zero indication he cant sustain any success at this level that he has had through all of 96 professional games thus far through the AHL/NHL since 2012-13

except Crawford was a guy developed through the system and played 255 professional games in the AHL before being the NHL starter. (303 AHL/NHL games combined before given the full time starter role)

its hardly the same as Scott Darling who, 4 years ago, was goaltending for a beer league pretty much.

I like Darling and all, but there is zero indication he cant sustain any success at this level that he has had through all of 96 professional games thus far through the AHL/NHL since 2012-13
- hawkeytalkman

Niemi hadnt played a single year in the nhl, murray and jones had neither become a starter prior to this years cup finals.

Im not saying id prefer it but out of all the pieces id think crow ends up being the best when accounting for cap hit, trade value, and replacements.

Sure rolling darling would be ideal, but would you ragher frosling, pokka or tvr play seabrooks minutes? Or have no 1LWand no 2LW if panarin leaves? Or how about trading anismov and having kruger (love him to death) as our defacto 2nd line center. Or trading hossa away for nothing and taking on the recapture penalties.

Its not gonna be fun, but it sure seems like the best option right now to be frank

Drouin was never really on the market.

If he had held out he would have been traded at the draft.

That was as much of a media spin as v
jimmy Vesey was still gonna sign with Buffalo.
Or any other team had an inside track...for weeks you heard countless blow harts claim inside nf that he was going here r there or NOT here or there...

It is all about scribes surmising and filling printed word to look full of incite when like Drouin trade talks were full of something else....
- wiz1901

Thanks for the info. Gotta love the rumors! Any legs to the rumor that we're getting OV for Panarin's line? Ha! The OPA line??? Can't figure out the red font....

A couple things, Sved will have to clear waivers Correct? I'm not sure he will. I think somebody looking for a 7-8 D man might give him a try and see if he has improved at 24/25.

Also If we move TVR at the deadline for a rental that will really bother me. Let make a move for a guy and let him learn and grow by what everybody says is great leadership. We had a shot to get droiun last year and opted for a rentals instead. Think about if he was here this year playing with Teows and Hossa?
- kmw4631

If that is correct, I think he gets traded before the season starts.

TVR is an expansion draft risk. If a half season + playoffs of a rental is > than a half season and playoffs of TVR, I'm going with the former.

Panarin is a next summer problem.
- Return of the Roar

That's the philosophy that's created the current cap mess. If the team could think a little farther ahead maybe there'd still be more than a line and a half left of what used to be depth.

Off topic, but why doesnt Milwaukee have a hockey team? Why no expansion there?

Nothing matters.
Tanner says the Blackhawks and Ducks won't make the playoffs.

Might as well sell everyone off and go into rebuild mode. (red font)
- scottak

Can't speak for the Ducks , but as it stands right now and all the wishin in one hand and crappin in the other with the current pool of prospects to choose from, 9th or 10 th in the conference this year. Other teams are on the rise and Stoshu gave away valuable assets over the last 2years and got zilch in return.
We got a break this year but if you think for one minute there isn't gonna be a huge increase next season , well here's a bridge to buy. This after a non playoff year.
Lookin more and more that my new season tix will be my 80 inch Hi def Tv in my basement. Not happy with what I see surrounding Toews and Kane going into their late 20's . I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way.
JJ, I'm just not feelin it for any of those forwards you mentioned compared to how some of the other teams are looking. I think teams are gonna look at the Hawks as a big white golf ball and crush them right down the fairway, other than a couple guys, there's nothing there, we lost too much overthe last couple of seasons!
Get excited a bout some 5"7 kid ? Bowman resists to draft the big freight trains, he misses this year, he's on borrowed time then. You watch the heat turn up in that front office if it gets not going in the right direction, McD will change his tune.

Any chance DeBrincat comes in and earns the #2 lw spot??
- joegreif17

I think Debrincat is going to be a bust. To small !

Off topic, but why doesnt Milwaukee have a hockey team? Why no expansion there?
- onehundredlevel

They have an AHL club - Admirals.

Off topic, but why doesnt Milwaukee have a hockey team? Why no expansion there?
- onehundredlevel

The current problem is that Milwaukee doesn't have a NHL quality building for hockey. The Bradley Center is being replaced, but the AHL club sharing the building with the Bucks currently was not invited to be involved in the new building. That means that the Admirals are moving to a smaller building.

Then there is a lack of an ownership group looking to park a team in Milwaukee. Can't have a NHL team without that, and huge stacks of money.

Additionally, if you look at the attendance numbers for the AHL club, it doesn't seem to me that a NHL team would draw enough to make it worthwhile financially.

Lastly, doesn't the Wirtz family have some sort of territorial rights that would prohibit parking an NHL team in Milwaukee? If so, that is another problem.