He was/is a small forward who never played a full season with limited scoring and was a 4th round pick. Kessey just came off of a playoff run where he scored 11 goals in 15 games and it looked like he might be turning the corner development wise. Kessey was a big guy and big guys take longer to develop if they ever do.

I don't think it's fair to say that Arizona won this trade on day 1 when it was a 4th round pick for a 4th round pick. The team tried to fill a hole with a surplus and it didn't work.
- -Dangles13-

"Limited offense"? You mean his 42 goal draft+1 year while still being a dominant two-way force? He had 42 goals in just that year alone while Kessy had 46 in his entire WHL career. Rieder had more points in his first and worst season in the OHL (49P age 17) than Kessy had in his absolute best (43P age 20).

And in what world do "big guys" take longer to develop? They have bigger frames earlier and therefore (assuming requisite skill level) should be more dominant in their early years when they're well ahead physically. It's that kind of regressive thinking that brought teams countless busts like Colton Gillies, Hugh Jessiman, JF Jacques, etc. If big players haven't been able to impose their larger frames on much smaller and lesser opposition, how in the name of the gods do you expect them to do so against actual men.

Rieder is and always has been a far superior prospect to Kessy- whose ceiling was that of a 4th liner. As such, the trade was a loss from day 1. End of story.

Thank you Dangles!! Until we actually see some games we can't say for sure he is a number two. He'll I don't even think you could for sure say Klefbomb is a number two with his small sample size in a top pairing role.
- NEONDOUBLEDION

I'm not gonna go over this again as we've done so countless times this summer.

Fayne averaged 18:19 minutes per game (primarily with Greene) and saw a substantial boost to his shot and chance metrics on the ice with Greene. Larsson averaged 22:31 minutes per game (primarily with Greene) but his numbers improved away from Greene and Greene's number dropped without Larsson.

Oh good lord...
- Wildschwein

So that's what they call that

"Limited offense"? You mean his 42 goal draft+1 year while still being a dominant two-way force? He had 42 goals in just that year alone while Kessy had 46 in his entire WHL career. Rieder had more points in his first and worst season in the OHL (49P age 17) than Kessy had in his absolute best (43P age 20).

And in what world do "big guys" take longer to develop? They have bigger frames earlier and therefore (assuming requisite skill level) should be more dominant in their early years when they're well ahead physically. It's that kind of regressive thinking that brought teams countless busts like Colton Gillies, Hugh Jessiman, JF Jacques, etc. If big players haven't been able to impose their larger frames on much smaller and lesser opposition, how in the name of the gods do you expect them to do so against actual men.

Rieder is and always has been a far superior prospect to Kessy- whose ceiling was that of a 4th liner. As such, the trade was a loss from day 1. End of story.
- MaximumBone

Was that a Tambo "bold" move ?

I'm not gonna go over this again as we've done so countless times this summer.

Fayne averaged 18:19 minutes per game (primarily with Greene) and saw a substantial boost to his shot and chance metrics on the ice with Greene. Larsson averaged 22:31 minutes per game (primarily with Greene) but his numbers improved away from Greene and Greene's number dropped without Larsson.
- MaximumBone

Golden.

Sadly, they cannot comprehend that fact mainly since they didn't even do their own HW and research before they said something about the matter at hand.

"Limited offense"? You mean his 42 goal draft+1 year while still being a dominant two-way force? He had 42 goals in just that year alone while Kessy had 46 in his entire WHL career. Rieder had more points in his first and worst season in the OHL (49P age 17) than Kessy had in his absolute best (43P age 20).

And in what world do "big guys" take longer to develop? They have bigger frames earlier and therefore (assuming requisite skill level) should be more dominant in their early years when they're well ahead physically. It's that kind of regressive thinking that brought teams countless busts like Colton Gillies, Hugh Jessiman, JF Jacques, etc. If big players haven't been able to impose their larger frames on much smaller and lesser opposition, how in the name of the gods do you expect them to do so against actual men.

Rieder is and always has been a far superior prospect to Kessy- whose ceiling was that of a 4th liner. As such, the trade was a loss from day 1. End of story.
- MaximumBone

Limited NHL offence. This world where power forwards always take longer to develop than scoring forwards. I'm not saying that to be a combative bumhole either. I just thought it was common knowledge that power forwards take time to develop because you don't get man muscle until your early to mid 20s.

Golden.

Sadly, they cannot comprehend that fact mainly since they didn't even do their own HW and research before they said something about the matter at hand.
- EdmHockeyMan

Why are you lumping me in with someone when I haven't been on this site in years?

So Larsson is unproven now?

So Larsson is unproven now?
- laughs2907

Unproven in the role for which he is being pegged. He's a good steady eddy minute muncher but if he caps out at that then it's a clear loss for Edmonton in my opinion anyways.

Unproven in the role for which he is being pegged. He's a good steady eddy minute muncher but if he caps out at that then it's a clear loss for Edmonton in my opinion anyways.
- -Dangles13-

Edmonton needed a young, RHD who is defensively elite (and he is)... We got a piece that we needed.

Unproven in the role for which he is being pegged. He's a good steady eddy minute muncher but if he caps out at that then it's a clear loss for Edmonton in my opinion anyways.
- -Dangles13-

I don't see how he's unproven, he basically played the same roll in NJ that he will play in Edmonton. I would say more inexperienced than anything.

I don't see how he's unproven, he basically played the same roll in NJ that he will play in Edmonton. I would say more inexperienced than anything.
- Reveen.

Edmonton needed a young, RHD who is defensively elite (and he is)... We got a piece that we needed.
- laughs2907

I feel like he was treated as a number 1 defender and they paid a price for a number 1 defender but he's not there yet, if he ever gets there. Glad to have him and hope he takes the next step I just feel like it was too large a gamble to take.

I don't see how he's unproven, he basically played the same roll in NJ that he will play in Edmonton. I would say more inexperienced than anything.
- Reveen.

Trading Hall should have netted an Ekblad not a guy that is maybe going to be a number #2. He isn't unproven but there is a big difference in being hidden in the swamp and in the lime light of Canadian hockey. Two years ago he was maybe a bust and now is a stud I think the answer is somewhere in between hopefully.

Golden.

Sadly, they cannot comprehend that fact mainly since they didn't even do their own HW and research before they said something about the matter at hand.
- EdmHockeyMan

Did all the homework and it's still the same conclusion. Chia got ass raped. Period.

I still find you of all people using this argument funny as hell
- MaximumBone

There may be a slight hint of irony to it...

Fact remains most msm are idiots.

But fact also remains that overall, the vast majority of people with any hint of Hockey knowledge recognize that the trade was a massive overpay for Larsson.

I fear Hendo may no longer be with us.
- Wildschwein

He hasnt posted on ON for over a week either...

I think the oilers poopty management has pushed him over the edge

Trading Hall should have netted an Ekblad not a guy that is maybe going to be a number #2. He isn't unproven but there is a big difference in being hidden in the swamp and in the lime light of Canadian hockey. Two years ago he was maybe a bust and now is a stud I think the answer is somewhere in between hopefully.
- NEONDOUBLEDION

I really do hope he turns into the next Hedman but I would also have liked to see something else come back with him in that deal. I mean if he's the next Chris Philips I'm ok with that too but then the Oilers will still need a #1.

Trading Hall should have netted an Ekblad not a guy that is maybe going to be a number #2. He isn't unproven but there is a big difference in being hidden in the swamp and in the lime light of Canadian hockey. Two years ago he was maybe a bust and now is a stud I think the answer is somewhere in between hopefully.
- NEONDOUBLEDION

Good luck getting Ekblad from Florida

I really do hope he turns into the next Hedman but I would also have liked to see something else come back with him in that deal. I mean if he's the next Chris Philips I'm ok with that too but then the Oilers will still need a #1.
- -Dangles13-

I don't think Larsson will ever be as offensively gifted as Hedman, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he produced between 30-40 points per season. If he can do that and keep the Oil from hemorrhaging goals then the trade will have been worth it IMO.

I really do hope he turns into the next Hedman but I would also have liked to see something else come back with him in that deal. I mean if he's the next Chris Philips I'm ok with that too but then the Oilers will still need a #1.
- -Dangles13-

Exactly. No one is going to be upset if he turns into Hedman but you also need to be prepared for the Phillips possibility. But some of these clowns are already all in with him being the chosen one to lead the Oilers into the light. Don't forget that Reinhart was supposed to be a top 4 defender easy and he ended up in the minors. Larsson is the new shiny toy till Johnny Hockey burns him for a hat trick.

Exactly. No one is going to be upset if he turns into Hedman but you also need to be prepared for the Phillips possibility. But some of these clowns are already all in with him being the chosen one to lead the Oilers into the light. Don't forget that Reinhart was supposed to be a top 4 defender easy and he ended up in the minors. Larsson is the new shiny toy till Johnny Hockey burns him for a hat trick.
- NEONDOUBLEDION

Every D gets burned for hatty now and then

Both sides of this argument need to wait about 2 months before inserting foot in mouth.

Every D gets burned for hatty now and then

Both sides of this argument need to wait about 2 months before inserting foot in mouth.
- Garnie

Exactly. No one is going to be upset if he turns into Hedman but you also need to be prepared for the Phillips possibility. But some of these clowns are already all in with him being the chosen one to lead the Oilers into the light. Don't forget that Reinhart was supposed to be a top 4 defender easy and he ended up in the minors. Larsson is the new shiny toy till Johnny Hockey burns him for a hat trick.
- NEONDOUBLEDION

Reinhart is a pretty poopty example of player comparison, no? 37 games of NHL experience compared to Larsson's 274?
By and large those of us who were ok with the trade understand that we are not getting the next Lidstrom in Larsson. Nor are we getting the next Phillips, Larsson has already shown us that in his time with Jersey.

Every D gets burned for hatty now and then

Both sides of this argument need to wait about 2 months before inserting foot in mouth.
- Garnie

Hark! A Leaf fan spouting words of wisdom and restraint! The end surely is nigh!

(Agree with what you said by the way)

I don't see how he's unproven, he basically played the same roll in NJ that he will play in Edmonton. I would say more inexperienced than anything.
- Reveen.

Experience doesn't matter and doesn't count for poop. Just ask James Tanner what experience is worth.