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Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: Leafs Prospects : Cornerstones, Contenders and Challengers (Part 3)
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TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 6 @ 11:22 AM ET
Just anticipating a Vancouver fans reaction.
- AdamFrench


I mean, Nylanders good, but he's no Markus Granlund
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Sep 6 @ 11:23 AM ET

- LeafMan

You should just pull the trigger now...
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 6 @ 11:23 AM ET
I mean, Nylanders good, but he's no Markus Granlund
- TheMussel


Shots fired.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Sep 6 @ 11:24 AM ET
Nonsense.

I've been hired because of my great skills and I'm being very fairly paid for them.

Spending hours per day on hockeybuzz should be part of the job description though....

- Scabeh





the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Sep 6 @ 11:25 AM ET




- lumlums

Wow, the've really stepped up the graphics since I was a teenager...


I mean there's green..GREEN....
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Sep 6 @ 11:27 AM ET

- LeafMan

Ban him but make sure you get the SCHABS fan Symba first
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Sep 6 @ 11:27 AM ET
Wow, the've really stepped up the graphics since I was a teenager...


I mean there's green..GREEN....

- the_eye


Those colour printers man.... move on over dot matrix, this laser poop is LIT!
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 6 @ 11:27 AM ET
A cornerstone needs to be an elite two-way player who gives maximum effort at all times. Nylander has a long way to go.
- Njuice



Nope.


The response listed Martin. He's neither a prospect, elite or 2way.

Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Sep 6 @ 11:29 AM ET
Nope.


The response listed Martin. He's neither a prospect, elite or 2way.

- burn



He must have meant a stone in the corner..
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Sep 6 @ 11:29 AM ET
Nope.


The response listed Martin. He's neither a prospect, elite or 2way.

- burn

He trolled you motherbozakers...
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Sep 6 @ 11:30 AM ET
He must have meant a stone in the corner..
- Fruitcakenipple

He must have meant openening a cornerstore..
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 6 @ 11:30 AM ET
I would hope so yes.
But thats not what the blog was about.
Nylander could end up being similar to kessel....good player but not a cornerstone.

- Fakepartofme



Nylander is a cornerstone.

No other way to put it.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Sep 6 @ 11:31 AM ET
He must have meant a stone in the corner..
- Fruitcakenipple

Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Sep 6 @ 11:33 AM ET
He must have meant openening a cornerstore..
- the_eye

Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 6 @ 11:33 AM ET




- lumlums


You're a (frank)ing bumhole.

It's not like I had a Master's degree in history or Arts and litterature.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 6 @ 11:34 AM ET
Nylander one of the top 10 prospects in the world right now.

He's a definite cornerstone.
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Sep 6 @ 11:36 AM ET
Nylander one of the top 10 prospects in the world right now.

He's a definite cornerstone.

- burn

Ahead of all the Sabres prospects? That can't be so.
nbboy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.05.2010

Sep 6 @ 11:36 AM ET
RELATIVE SHOT ATTEMPTS

The primary way that a defenceman can impact his team defensively is by limiting the number of shots that the other team gets. By that measure, Gardiner has been extremely good over the past three seasons. The best way to measure this is Corsi Against per 60 minutes of ice time at even strength, relative to a player's teammates. Relative Corsi takes the shot attempts when a player is on the ice and subtracts the shot attempts when he's on the bench, so it gives us a good idea of how much better (or worse) a team does with a given player compared to his teammates. For Corsi Against, a low number is better (ex. -5.0 would mean the team allows 5 fewer shot attempts with a player on the ice while +5.0 would mean the team allows 5 shots more). Here are the top 10 players by CA/60 Rel over the past 3 seasons (minimum 100 games played):

Player GP CA60 Rel
Giordano 207 -8.84
Gardiner 238 -7.92
Ekholm 224 -7.74
Diaz 119 -7.37
Stralman 236 -7.28
Campbell 246 -7.25
Brodie 232 -7.18
Orlov 136 -6.77
Ekman-Larsson 237 -6.4
Tanev 203 -6.08

Only one regular defenceman in the entire NHL has done a better job than Gardiner at limiting shot attempts relative to his teammates over the past three seasons: Mark Giordano.

TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 6 @ 11:38 AM ET
Ahead of all the Sabres prospects? That can't be so.
- LeafMan


We can't truly know until we see him in Jorts
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 6 @ 11:38 AM ET
RELATIVE SHOT ATTEMPTS

The primary way that a defenceman can impact his team defensively is by limiting the number of shots that the other team gets. By that measure, Gardiner has been extremely good over the past three seasons. The best way to measure this is Corsi Against per 60 minutes of ice time at even strength, relative to a player's teammates. Relative Corsi takes the shot attempts when a player is on the ice and subtracts the shot attempts when he's on the bench, so it gives us a good idea of how much better (or worse) a team does with a given player compared to his teammates. For Corsi Against, a low number is better (ex. -5.0 would mean the team allows 5 fewer shot attempts with a player on the ice while +5.0 would mean the team allows 5 shots more). Here are the top 10 players by CA/60 Rel over the past 3 seasons (minimum 100 games played):

Player GP CA60 Rel
Giordano 207 -8.84
Gardiner 238 -7.92
Ekholm 224 -7.74
Diaz 119 -7.37
Stralman 236 -7.28
Campbell 246 -7.25
Brodie 232 -7.18
Orlov 136 -6.77
Ekman-Larsson 237 -6.4
Tanev 203 -6.08
Only one regular defenceman in the entire NHL has done a better job than Gardiner at limiting shot attempts relative to his teammates over the past three seasons: Mark Giordano.


- nbboy


You also have elite defenseman Raphael Diaz in the list.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 6 @ 11:38 AM ET
Ahead of all the Sabres prospects? That can't be so.
- LeafMan



Behind vessey and all jort wearing prospects
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Sep 6 @ 11:38 AM ET
You're a (frank)ing bumhole.

It's not like I had a Master's degree in history or Arts and litterature.

- Scabeh
Hey!
nbboy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.05.2010

Sep 6 @ 11:39 AM ET
You also have elite defenseman Raphael Diaz in the list.
- Scabeh

ClarksonDavid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rielly wouldn't, crack top 4 on the sens team -PtotheY, SK
Joined: 03.15.2014

Sep 6 @ 11:39 AM ET
Nylander one of the top 10 prospects in the world right now.

He's a definite cornerstone.

- burn

Yeah I agree. I also haven't seen him struggle defensivley at all so whatever..
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 6 @ 11:40 AM ET
Hey!
- RickJames77


Do you really?
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