How many years did these top prospects stay there? Basically none and 1.
- AdamFrench

I thought the conversation was more about the players that came out of the NCAA, not necessarily how long they played there?

Anyhoo, plenty of good players come out of the NCAA.

Also, like I said, I am not arguing the NCAA is better because it is not. All I said, was I think its quality is being a little undermined in this thread.

Disagree, and you sound like a Vancouver fan discussing Toronto prospects.

He would be the #1 D prospect in our system, easily, assuming Rielly can no longer be called a prospect.
- Aetherial

Well, I disagree. and that has nothing to do with the Canucks. I was legitimately shocked when they took him. None of the scouting agencies had him near 5th at point of draft. Chycrun was pretty much unanimously ahead of him.

Most scouting agencies had him somewhere from 10-15, and personally, I think that was probably helped out a bit by his teammates. that's my opinion. And again, that's nothing to do with the Canucks.

Scouting agencies can rank a player low, people will think he gets drafted low, and then as soon as a team takes him earlier than expected, they suddenly change their minds. Why is that?

The entire world thought Marner was better than Strome until they went in reverse order, then suddenly Strome was getting ranked higher. BS.

Name all the stars that have come out of the NCAA.

Name all the stars that have come out of the CHL.

You won't find the lists are even comparable.

I am not sure I believe their 30% of players either.
- Aetherial

Jonathan Toews. Best player ever.

BOOM!!!


Check. Mate.

I thought the conversation was more about the players that came out of the NCAA, not necessarily how long they played there?

Anyhoo, plenty of good players come out of the NCAA.

Also, like I said, I am not arguing the NCAA is better because it is not. All I said, was I think its quality is being a little undermined in this thread.
- RickJames77

The caliber of hockey is pretty similar, given that they're much older. The caliber of players isn't.

Well, I disagree. and that has nothing to do with the Canucks. I was legitimately shocked when they took him. None of the scouting agencies had him near 5th at point of draft. Chycrun was pretty much unanimously ahead of him.

Most scouting agencies had him somewhere from 10-15, and personally, I think that was probably helped out a bit by his teammates. that's my opinion. And again, that's nothing to do with the Canucks.

Scouting agencies can rank a player low, people will think he gets drafted low, and then as soon as a team takes him earlier than expected, they suddenly change their minds. Why is that?

The entire world thought Marner was better than Strome until they went in reverse order, then suddenly Strome was getting ranked higher. BS.
- prock

I don't think this is true.

Jonathan Toews. Best player ever.

BOOM!!!


Check. Mate.
- lumlums

Yeah, well I will see your Jon Toews and raise you one William Anthony Derlago!

Bam!

Well, I disagree. and that has nothing to do with the Canucks. I was legitimately shocked when they took him. None of the scouting agencies had him near 5th at point of draft. Chycrun was pretty much unanimously ahead of him.

Most scouting agencies had him somewhere from 10-15, and personally, I think that was probably helped out a bit by his teammates. that's my opinion. And again, that's nothing to do with the Canucks.

Scouting agencies can rank a player low, people will think he gets drafted low, and then as soon as a team takes him earlier than expected, they suddenly change their minds. Why is that?

The entire world thought Marner was better than Strome until they went in reverse order, then suddenly Strome was getting ranked higher. BS.
- prock

That is absolutely not true.

Dylan Strome will follow his brother Ryan Strome as one of the most overrated young players in the league
- BernardShakey

I think he'll be good but to rank him above Marner is absurd!

That is absolutely not true.
- Aetherial

It was pretty 50/50, maybe 60/40 in favour of Strome actually.

I don't think this is true.
- burn

Well here is ISS rankings, with Chycrun at 8, and Juolevi at 11.

http://www.isshockey.com/

Here is CSB, where he was 5th, for NA skaters alone, which did not include the first 3 draft picks. Also behind Chycrun

http://www.coppernblue.co...matthews-central-scouting

Can't find redline report.

Well here is ISS rankings, with Chycrun at 8, and Juolevi at 11.

http://www.isshockey.com/

Here is CSB, where he was 5th, for NA skaters alone, which did not include the first 3 draft picks. Also behind Chycrun

http://www.coppernblue.co...matthews-central-scouting

Can't find redline report.
- prock

Bob mackenize list didn't have chychrun in the top ten..

Bob mackenize list didn't have chychrun in the top ten..
- burn

Good for him. I said scouting agencies.

Mackenzie is the best out there, but it's still one person's opinion. Different from a scouting agency. I tend to take the scouting agencies a little more seriously than a single journalists opinion. he's better than Button or that other goof, but still just one guy.

Bob mackenize list didn't have chychrun in the top ten..
- burn

http://www.tsn.ca/matthew...n-s-top-prospect-1.511597

Fun guy.
- bixll

Good for him. I said scouting agencies.

Mackenzie is the best out there, but it's still one person's opinion. Different from a scouting agency. I tend to take the scouting agencies a little more seriously than a single journalists opinion. he's better than Button or that other goof, but still just one guy.
- prock

This year's entire draft for the Leafs, Matthews aside, was a giant "huh?" for every pick.

I don't even bother with scouting rankings anymore. Just trust that Hunter knows whats up

Good for him. I said scouting agencies.

Mackenzie is the best out there, but it's still one person's opinion. Different from a scouting agency.
- prock

His list is made up of nhl scouts, and was more accurate than what the scouting agencies had.

No one should have been surprised when chychrun dropped out of top ten. He was falling all year and when nhl scouts were polled he was outside the top 10. And then that's what happened.

This year's entire draft, Matthews aside, was a giant "huh?" for every pick
- WingmanWillie

There were a lot of surprises, for sure.

His list is made up of nhl scouts, and was more accurate than what the scouting agencies had.

No one should have been surprised when chychrun dropped out of top ten. He was falling all year and when nhl scouts were polled he was outside the top 10. And then that's what happened.
- burn

As I said, the scouting agencies had Juolevi in the 10-15 range. You disagreed. now you're quoting Bob Mackenzie as proof that scouting agencies said different. You're wrong, get it?

As far as Juolevi goes, sorry, I think he'll drop back down. He had one year, that I think was helped out a great deal by his teammates. This question gets asked of lots of players - was it him, or did the fact that his teammates tore the league up help him out. I think it did.

Let's give some love to the Neilson blog, you goombas.

This conversation is just as relevant there, if not more so

Jonathan Toews. Best player ever.

BOOM!!!


Check. Mate.
- lumlums

Yeah, but did Mandela play in the CHL or NCAA?

Asking for a friend.

Yeah, but did Mandela play in the CHL or NCAA?

Asking for a friend.
- RickJames77

Remember that time we gave you Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel

Then you traded both those guys away and have nothing to show for it

Then we traded Kessel away and have nothing to show for it

Then Kessel won the cup?

Jonathan Toews. Best player ever.

BOOM!!!


Check. Mate.
- lumlums

You always have a special way with words


Ok I'm here to stir up the poop! *waits for Dozer to sneak around the corner*

As I said, the scouting agencies had Juolevi in the 10-15 range. You disagreed. now you're quoting Bob Mackenzie as proof that scouting agencies said different. You're wrong, get it?

As far as Juolevi goes, sorry, I think he'll drop back down. He had one year, that I think was helped out a great deal by his teammates. This question gets asked of lots of players - was it him, or did the fact that his teammates tore the league up help him out. I think it did.
- prock

Chycrun wasn't unanimous ahead, as I pointed out with tsn list (sportsnet also said "most expect julevi to be first dman taken and had chychrun out of top ten")

If you wish to call what I said wrong so be it.... Not all said he was going to be fist dman picked and was going to be 5th overall, and what bob and sportsnet said would happen did in fact happen..... So call that wrong all you want, but fact is it did indeed happen like that in real life and those scouting agencies were in fact wrong.

I thought the conversation was more about the players that came out of the NCAA, not necessarily how long they played there?

Anyhoo, plenty of good players come out of the NCAA.

Also, like I said, I am not arguing the NCAA is better because it is not. All I said, was I think its quality is being a little undermined in this thread.
- RickJames77

YOU FORGOT DANY HEATLEY AND JUNATHUN TAVES

Yeah, well I will see your Jon Toews and raise you one William Anthony Derlago!

Bam!
- Aetherial

Jimmy Vesey.




Dilemma deleted.

Game over.