Neither are better all-around than Karlsson. They may not be far off, but they're not better.
- Rinosaur

I've posted my list. Why don't you use your powers of deduction and see what you come up with.

I bet Mcdavid gets picked first in all of your fantasy drafts.

I bet Mcdavid gets picked first in all of your fantasy drafts.
- robin_steele264

He's averaging 5th overall on yahoo, but fantasy draft is about a subset of stats.

Neither are better all-around than Karlsson. They may not be far off, but they're not better.
- Rinosaur

Karlsson is not an all around defenseman. He is an offensive defenseman.

Karlsson is not an all around defenseman. He is an offensive defenseman.
- MJL

you don't watch him play much do you lol

Does Ovechkin win faceoffs though?

you don't watch him play much do you lol
- Maverick1818

I love when guys respond like this. Whenever you're ready.

Karlsson is not an all around defenseman. He is an offensive defenseman.
- MJL

Lol. Ok.

Lol. Ok.
- Feds91Stammer

You had the same response when I schooled you on LTIR, and how it applies. Why don't you offer an actual opinion, and have a conversation, instead of responding like a ten year old?

one freak accident injury

Bust...
- DDM-Coga

Actually 2 in 2 years. Remember the broken hand?

Ek's totally unbiased top 10 current NHL players...

1. Giroux
2. Simmonds
3. Mason
4. Ghost
5. Provorov
6. Voracek
7. Neuvirth
8. Schenn
9. Couturier
10. Gudas

Karlsson is not an all around defenseman. He is an offensive defenseman.
- MJL

he is a forward that plays D, and he sucks at the D part.

Agreed, Jared Tinordi should easily be on there.
- eichiefs9

He obviously meant Jiri Tlusty.

Not saying he's not surrounded by other great players but come on... give the guy some credit.
- Scabeh

He already gets far, far, too much credit...

He already gets far, far, too much credit...
- TheGame316

What's his Corsi?

CURRENT Top 10 NHL Centers

1. Crosby
2. McDavid
3. Bergeron
4. Kopitar
5. Tavares
6. Seguin
7. Giroux
8. Kuznetsov
9. Pavelski
10. Stamkos
- Feds91Stammer

Stamkos isn't a centre anymore and Giroux doesn't deserve to be there.

The two that standout as not deserving both happen to be on the same team.


Not really understanding the media's love affair with the kings.

Doughty and.......


............

.......................

Kopitar?

Not even top 5 at their own positions.

he is a forward that plays D, and he sucks at the D part.
- StargateSG1

But he absolutely massacres the offense part in a way only seen in Hall of Fame-level talents like Lidstrom, Coffey, and Bourque. He's not even all that bad at the D part; he's around average.

The two that standout as not deserving both happen to be on the same team.


Not really understanding the media's love affair with the kings.

Doughty and.......


............

.......................

Kopitar?

Not even top 5 at their own positions.
- Charliebox

14th in the NHL in point scoring the past 3 years while having a two-way game that ranks in the top three among forwards and he's had playoffs success. If your opinion is that he shouldn't be there, then nor should Toews or Bergeron (both with fewer points).

1) Patrick Kane
2) Sidney Crosby
3) Jonathan Toews
4) John Tavares
5) Jamie Benn
6) Vladimir Tarasenko
7) Alex Ovechkin
8) Connor McDavid
9) Drew Doughty
10) Duncan Keith
11) Erik Karlsson

No goalies in my top 11 but my top 5 goalies are:

1) Corey Schneider
2) Carey Price
3) Braden Hotby
4) Corey Crawford
5) Brian Elliot

1) Patrick Kane
2) Sidney Crosby
3) Jonathan Toews
4) John Tavares
5) Jamie Benn
6) Vladimir Tarasenko
7) Alex Ovechkin
8) Connor McDavid
9) Drew Doughty
10) Duncan Keith
11) Erik Karlsson

No goalies in my top 11 but my top 5 goalies are:

1) Corey Schneider
2) Carey Price
3) Braden Hotby
4) Corey Crawford
5) Brian Elliot
- blackhawks64

LOL This list isn't biased at all.

Toews had a very average year when compared to the top players in the NHL. Remember, because some people keep forgetting, this list reflects what just happened this season. Not the season before or the season before that. Toews has no business up there this year. He really wasn't the player he normally is.

Keith is definitely a top ten dman in the league, but he's not a top ten player nor is he better than Karlsson.

Crawford isn't ANYWHERE near the top five goalies in the NHL. Quick, Bishop, Jones: All better than Crawford. I'd like to say Fleury is better, but I know I'll get the homer argument.

You could probably make an argument that Crawford is top ten, but even that might be tough to do.

Karlsson is not an all around defenseman. He is an offensive defenseman.
- MJL

First, let's go by the fact you didn't properly read what the original poster said that I replied to. Nobody said they were "all around defensemen." He stated that Subban and Pietrangelo are better all around that Karlsson. That's a pretty clear distinction.

For argument's sake, let's go by your logic:

Subban and Pietrangelo are both offensive defensemen. So, any way you cut it, you're wrong.

1) Patrick Kane
2) Sidney Crosby
3) Jonathan Toews
4) John Tavares
5) Jamie Benn
6) Vladimir Tarasenko
7) Alex Ovechkin
8) Connor McDavid
9) Drew Doughty
10) Duncan Keith
11) Erik Karlsson

No goalies in my top 11 but my top 5 goalies are:

1) Corey Schneider
2) Carey Price
3) Braden Hotby
4) Corey Crawford
5) Brian Elliot
- blackhawks64

you know that it is a blackhawks fan writing that list when you see patrick kane at 1st and sid at 2nd and toews at 3rd. not to mention duncan keith at 10 no no not biased at ALL

You had the same response when I schooled you on LTIR, and how it applies. Why don't you offer an actual opinion, and have a conversation, instead of responding like a ten year old?
- MJL

As a neutral third party, I think Karlsson gets too much unfair criticism for his defensive play. His speed and skating are phenomenal assets when it comes to playing defense and those 2 attributes alone make it difficult for him to ever be beat 1 on 1, and if he is, 9 times out of 10 he will recover and outskate you to strip the puck.

He's not a physical, crease-clearing Chara-in-his-prime defensive defenseman, but it is very difficult to beat him 1 on 1 or score against him when he's on the ice.

The two that standout as not deserving both happen to be on the same team.


Not really understanding the media's love affair with the kings.

Doughty and.......


............

.......................

Kopitar?

Not even top 5 at their own positions.
- Charliebox

True, not top 5, Doughty is top 1.