Do you have any stats to back up your assumption of who makes up 2/3rds of the criticism?

From my point of view, 9 out of 10 posters on your blogs criticize your opinions.

The person you replied to, had no clue about what was being stated, which was proven with subsequent follow up posts.
- MJL

Hey if you say it, it must be true. I suspect deep down you know he was right, but I don't need to argue about it.

Sigh. Like you can’t do your own (frank)ing data search.

The difference I see is most players will be in in around a 100 pdo, a big difference than almost all. say 2/3 of players. the rest will be outside of that, on the high or low end.

Top 50 guys with pdo > 100 and > 260 games since 2010:

player games pdo
Derek Stepan 434 102.8
Kyle Palmieri 280 102.7
Milan Lucic 448 102.4
Martin St. Louis 362 102.4
Chris Kunitz 428 102.4
Sidney Crosby 336 102.4
Pascal Dupuis 284 102.3
Alex Tanguay 349 102.2
David Krejci 400 102.1
Dale Weise 329 102
Adam McQuaid 328 102
Steven Stamkos 408 102
Jarome Iginla 450 102
Thomas Vanek 428 102
Bobby Ryan 439 101.9
Rick Nash 405 101.9
Johan Franzen 283 101.8
Saku Koivu 261 101.8
Clarke MacArthur 340 101.8
Teemu Selanne 265 101.8
Matt Beleskey 347 101.8
Henrik Sedin 438 101.7
Reilly Smith 285 101.7
Tyson Barrie 264 101.7
Alexander Semin 323 101.7
Jannik Hansen 430 101.7
Andrej Meszaros 266 101.7
Mats Zuccarello 303 101.6
Tyler Seguin 425 101.6
Jaromir Jagr 356 101.6
Michael Ryder 336 101.6
David Desharnais 398 101.5
James Neal 407 101.5
Ryan McDonagh 390 101.5
Jonathan Toews 423 101.5
Brandon Saad 286 101.5
Loui Eriksson 433 101.5
Mikhail Grabovski 370 101.5
Brad Marchand 434 101.4
Zdeno Chara 428 101.4
Daniel Sedin 438 101.4
Joe Pavelski 450 101.4
T.J. Oshie 390 101.4
Ryan Getzlaf 424 101.4
Nikolay Kulemin 433 101.3
Jiri Hudler 421 101.3
Kevin Klein 405 101.3
Carl Gunnarsson 394 101.3
Dan Hamhuis 389 101.3
Anze Kopitar 446 101.2
- Tumbleweed

I have conformed to Tanners way of thinking. All of these guys are crap and just lucky

I have conformed to Tanners way of thinking. All of these guys are crap and just lucky

- waitforawhistle

Can you also please confirm if these guys are actually good and have just been unlucky for years? Thanks in advance.


player games pdo
Tim Jackman 292 96.8
Craig Adams 362 97
Sean Bergenheim 260 97.2
Tomas Kopecky 321 97.6
David Booth 281 97.6
Magnus Paajarvi 276 97.7
Mike Brown 265 97.7
Scott Gomez 295 97.9
Nate Thompson 402 97.9
Tyler Kennedy 341 98
Justin Faulk 326 98
Matt Hendricks 419 98
David Clarkson 354 98
B.J. Crombeen 277 98
Jack Skille 282 98.1
Daniel Cleary 260 98.2
Zac Rinaldo 275 98.2
Tommy Wingels 300 98.2
Andrew Desjardins 362 98.2
Chris Phillips 316 98.3
Mike Weber 328 98.3
Ryan Carter 353 98.3
Derek Dorsett 378 98.4
Mark Fayne 385 98.4
Ryan Garbutt 277 98.5
Evander Kane 360 98.5
Erik Gudbranson 309 98.5
Dominic Moore 391 98.5
Nathan Gerbe 374 98.5
Ron Hainsey 429 98.5
Drew Miller 383 98.5
Tanner Glass 389 98.5
Trevor Lewis 413 98.6
Matt Martin 433 98.6
Colin Greening 286 98.6
Maxim Lapierre 359 98.6
Patrick Dwyer 345 98.7
Mike Richards 377 98.7
Eric Nystrom 389 98.7
Jeff Petry 365 98.7
Cal Clutterbuck 418 98.7
Roman Polak 387 98.7
Antoine Roussel 279 98.7
Casey Cizikas 290 98.7
Scottie Upshall 344 98.7
Anton Volchenkov 268 98.7
Stephen Gionta 270 98.7
Chris Neil 394 98.8
Tom Gilbert 379 98.8
Jay McClement 448 98.8

Can you also please confirm if these guys are actually good and have just been unlucky for years? Thanks in advance.


player games pdo
Tim Jackman 292 96.8
Craig Adams 362 97
Sean Bergenheim 260 97.2
Tomas Kopecky 321 97.6
David Booth 281 97.6
Magnus Paajarvi 276 97.7
Mike Brown 265 97.7
Scott Gomez 295 97.9
Nate Thompson 402 97.9
Tyler Kennedy 341 98
Justin Faulk 326 98
Matt Hendricks 419 98
David Clarkson 354 98
B.J. Crombeen 277 98
Jack Skille 282 98.1
Daniel Cleary 260 98.2
Zac Rinaldo 275 98.2
Tommy Wingels 300 98.2
Andrew Desjardins 362 98.2
Chris Phillips 316 98.3
Mike Weber 328 98.3
Ryan Carter 353 98.3
Derek Dorsett 378 98.4
Mark Fayne 385 98.4
Ryan Garbutt 277 98.5
Evander Kane 360 98.5
Erik Gudbranson 309 98.5
Dominic Moore 391 98.5
Nathan Gerbe 374 98.5
Ron Hainsey 429 98.5
Drew Miller 383 98.5
Tanner Glass 389 98.5
Trevor Lewis 413 98.6
Matt Martin 433 98.6
Colin Greening 286 98.6
Maxim Lapierre 359 98.6
Patrick Dwyer 345 98.7
Mike Richards 377 98.7
Eric Nystrom 389 98.7
Jeff Petry 365 98.7
Cal Clutterbuck 418 98.7
Roman Polak 387 98.7
Antoine Roussel 279 98.7
Casey Cizikas 290 98.7
Scottie Upshall 344 98.7
Anton Volchenkov 268 98.7
Stephen Gionta 270 98.7
Chris Neil 394 98.8
Tom Gilbert 379 98.8
Jay McClement 448 98.8
- Tumbleweed

I just received my new hockey analytics for dummies book by Tanner! It states that these stats are inaccurate because they are taking into account zone starts and those do not matter. These guys have all been misused by the old school GM's and if they played for Phoenix would all be future hall of famers.

Fun stat,

I DID mention relative stats in the article, and Rundblad's career relative CF is + 2%
and his career PDO is 98.99. (So who's the one cherry picking stats?? It ain't me).

The entire response to my point about Rundblad has been people coming up with more and more ridiculous ways to explain away his stats. Hilariously, all I said was that instead of ignoring his measurable effectiveness, it'd make sense to give him a risk-free tryout, since it's not impossible that good player's get overlooked.

I've never seen such poor reading comprehension in my entire life - and I've taught English to very bad students.
- James_Tanner

No that is not all that you said.
Just stop it.... You are so far off base.
You said he was a great player.

pure, raw, unprocessed sewage in this thread

Yes, nothing worse than massively exceeding expectations in every possible way.
- James_Tanner

He exceeded no ones expectations and was banished to Europe. Not a single nhl team would take him then and has not now.

You are just plain wrong here (again)

MRW I read someone saying Runny is a good hockey player

I just received my new hockey analytics for dummies book by Tanner! It states that these stats are inaccurate because they are taking into account zone starts and those do not matter. These guys have all been misused by the old school GM's and if they played for Phoenix would all be future hall of famers.

- waitforawhistle

Hey if you say it, it must be true. I suspect deep down you know he was right, but I don't need to argue about it.
- James_Tanner

I think the statement "if you say it, it must be true", should be assigned to someone who states opinions are facts. An example would the statement you've made in the recent past that it's a fact that Karlsson is the best defenseman in the NHL.

Tanner why haven't the coyotes scooped him seeing they are the model franchise in regards to analytics?

As my generation takes more power in this world, things like women in sports will become more common and things like the Brexit and the Trump Campaign will come to be seen as the last grasp at power from a generation who's power is fading fast. Good riddance.

Except Clinton is 68 and completely represents the status quo of politics.


You should stop using numbers. It isnt’ your thing.

Its a good thing Tanner's employment doesnt require a drug test. Dude you have no clue when it comes to hockey.

Chief Runsbad. Aka David Runblad looks pretty but that is about it. He cant skate, he is afraid of his own shadow in tge defensive end of the ice and wont block shots.

Keep posting your hate filled rants about a team that is at the top. We really get a kick out you making a complete ass of yourself everytime you post.

Its a good thing Tanner's employment doesnt require a drug test. Dude you have no clue when it comes to hockey.

Chief Runsbad. Aka David Runblad looks pretty but that is about it. He cant skate, he is afraid of his own shadow in tge defensive end of the ice and wont block shots.

Keep posting your hate filled rants about a team that is at the top. We really get a kick out you making a complete ass of yourself everytime you post.

Its a good thing Tanner's employment doesnt require a drug test. Dude you have no clue when it comes to hockey.

Chief Runsbad. Aka David Runblad looks pretty but that is about it. He cant skate, he is afraid of his own shadow in tge defensive end of the ice and wont block shots.

Keep posting your hate filled rants about a team that is at the top. We really get a kick out you making a complete ass of yourself everytime you post.

- mmurray892

I think you just solved the mystery of why does Tanner love Runblad?

Did he not go on a rant awhile ago about how blocking shots should be outlawed in the NHL? and Runblad doesn't block shots!! ding ding ding we have a winner!

http://edmontonjournal.co...-bar-says-cultural-critic

Rundblad is a great example where a few stats in isolation paint a very "wrong" picture. He isn't a good D by any means. It is clear when you watch him play and make mistakes again and again and again.

The answer to why his possession doesn't look bad. He played very sheltered minutes and got very favorable deployment on the ice. He isn't being put out there against good forwards and gets twice as many ozone starts as dzone. Add in the fact that he has been playing on a very strong team and you can see why a bad D can have a few decent metrics.

I think you just solved the mystery of why does Tanner love Runblad?

Did he not go on a rant awhile ago about how blocking shots should be outlawed in the NHL? and Runblad doesn't block shots!! ding ding ding we have a winner!
- waitforawhistle

Certainly not trying to agree with anyone, but I think limiting skaters to staying on their skates for all actions on the ice including blocking shots would open up the game to opportunities. Blocking shots while laying down and kneeling adds no excitement or skill to the game. If you can block it by skating in front of it on your skates then so be it. Otherwise a delay of game or diving penalty could be assessed. Play the puck, play the man, or get beat. Blocking shots in the modern sense has become a coaches/tacticians tool and we have all just accepted it as it has come on so slowly over decades to its overabundant use now.

Obviously this would require some sort of discretionary call system by referees. As this would spiral into " he got nudged/no he didn't" territory. I don't think I would mind that though. Though I've never seen it. Closest would've been early 80's hockey.

Except Clinton is 68 and completely represents the status quo of politics.


You should stop using numbers. It isnt’ your thing.
- Tumbleweed

Says the guys who clearly doesn't know what an average is.

Rundblad is a great example where a few stats in isolation paint a very "wrong" picture. He isn't a good D by any means. It is clear when you watch him play and make mistakes again and again and again.

The answer to why his possession doesn't look bad. He played very sheltered minutes and got very favorable deployment on the ice. He isn't being put out there against good forwards and gets twice as many ozone starts as dzone. Add in the fact that he has been playing on a very strong team and you can see why a bad D can have a few decent metrics.
- breadbag

Yes, the "isolated" stats of who has the puck most, and who gets more and allows less shots. I really pulled out the obscure data for this one. .

Says the guys who clearly doesn't know what an average is.
- James_Tanner

I wiil take that as a compliment coming from a guy who doesn't understand what 'almost all' means.

David Rundblad's play is as soft as a baby's stool. After watching him in Chicago the past few years he should be put in jail for stealing his paycheck.

The Yotes are really messed up. If Tanner was there GM. They wouldnt rven be a quality beer league team. He has no clue about judging talent in hockey

Yes, the "isolated" stats of who has the puck most, and who gets more and allows less shots. I really pulled out the obscure data for this one. .
- James_Tanner

Thats what you don't get. There are 4 other skaters out there with Runblad. They're not his stats. They're the teams stats, when he's out on the ice. That's where analysis comes in. Runblad is just a passenger.

Thats what you don't get. There are 4 other skaters out there with Runblad. They're not his stats. They're the teams stats, when he's out on the ice. That's where analysis comes in. Runblad is just a passenger.
- MJL

That is the part a lot, ("all", from what I can remember) of the analytics crowd refuses to admit.

These great new stats are at least as much, maybe more(?) team oriented than +/-.

Yes, the "isolated" stats of who has the puck most, and who gets more and allows less shots. I really pulled out the obscure data for this one. .
- James_Tanner

Quick, throw a hipster band at him! Then tell him how much of a loser he is for not liking it.