1) Expansion revenue is NOT part HRR. So I imagine Anaheim's cheap ass owner will pocket about 100% of that money.

2) People are confusing a team's Cap commitments with their Salary commitments. While the Ducks may have been somewhat close to the Cap in year's past, they have never been close in salary to the Cap. They are currently at 66M in salary commitments, so they're right up against it with 2 guys left to sign.
- djamon

OK, so its not HRR per se, but its money going back to the owners that they can presumably spend on the team. There's no reason to assume the Samueli's wont reinvest it in the Ducks and local youth hockey programs. They may not be the owners of a 'cap team' but they have been pretty good about spending enough to ice a winning club and building grass roots hockey interest in SoCal.

Also, I am not confusing cap commitments with salary commitments. 2 million of Bernier's salary was already shelled out by TO so our salary commitments are pretty much on par with our cap hit right now, if not lower.

Sorry you think our owner is a cheap ass. All that spending you guys do has really helped you ice cup winning teams so all of us Ducks fans wish we followed the Toronto model, believe me.

Deep at forward is quite a stretch. Yeah, they have a lot of them, but it's clearly quantity over quality. What does DET have that you would really want? It's not like DET is going to give you Larkin or even Tatar.

You could probably get Nyquist if the cap wasn't a problem. Any affordable decent winger on DET worthy of Fowler is one they aren't going to give you.

A 1st from DET though would be something I'd go for since they're likely to draft in the top 15 next year.
- Rinosaur

I should have mentioned Athanasiou and Mantha. Neither may even be on the team because of Holland signing Vanek,Nielsen and Ott on July 1st. I don't think Holland will part with either of them. I think with AA. Mantha and Svechnikov in the pipeline, it makes 1 of Nyquist or Tatar expendable.

Perhaps Murray doesn't want either of them. He likes big forwards. The Wings are up against the Cap right now even with the injuries to Pulkkinen and Jurco. So any potential trade would have to be dollar for dollar.

Unless Brendan Smith could be traded for a draft pick in a separate deal. Holland doesn't trade roster players so a Ducks-Wings trade is unlikely anyway. I can see Buffalo or Boston trading for Fowler.

If you don't think Fowler is a #2/#3 on most teams then you don't really know much about Fowler.
- Rinosaur

Well, I don't know what his favourite food is, or whether he's a Marvel or DC guy. But I know he's not a top 4 on MY team, and we finished 30th.

Well, I don't know what his favourite food is, or whether he's a Marvel or DC guy. But I know he's not a top 4 on MY team, and we finished 30th.
- djamon

Fowler would be the Leafs #2 defenseman only behind Rielly.

OK, so its not HRR per se, but its money going back to the owners that they can presumably spend on the team. There's no reason to assume the Samueli's wont reinvest it in the Ducks and local youth hockey programs. They may not be the owners of a 'cap team' but they have been pretty good about spending enough to ice a winning club and building grass roots hockey interest in SoCal.

Also, I am not confusing cap commitments with salary commitments. 2 million of Bernier's salary was already shelled out by TO so our salary commitments are pretty much on par with our cap hit right now, if not lower.

Sorry you think our owner is a cheap ass. All that spending you guys do has really helped you ice cup winning teams so all of us Ducks fans wish we followed the Toronto model, believe me.
- Frank_Grimes

You wanna know why the Owners insisted on expansion revenue being excluded from HRR? Hint: it wasn't so they could immediately spend it on the team.

The only reason I brought up the salary versus Cap differences was that at least 3 people insisted you guys had the Cap space to sign your RFA's. But your salary commitments are currently right at your internal CASH cap (66 million). My assumption is that since Murray went and spent money on Vermette that he has a deal ready to go to lose some significant salary.

I'm not ripping your team, they've done a great job of icing a contender with an Owner who won't spend.

Fowler would be the Leafs #2 defenseman only behind Reilly.
- gergeswillems

Oh boy....

Oh boy....
- djamon

Youre a Leafs fan? Gardiner, Polak, Marincin, Zaitsev, Corrado, Hunwick...am I missing something here?

Youre a Leafs fan?
- gergeswillems

Yup. Rielly's not even our best d-man right now. Fowler's not very good, I know he's a 1st rounder but that shouldn't matter at this point.

Yup. Rielly's not even our best d-man right now. Fowler's not very good, I know he's a 1st rounder but that shouldn't matter at this point.
- djamon

Are Tim Horton, George Armstrong, Borje Salming and Al Iafrate arriving in a Time Machine?

Are Tim Horton, George Armstrong, Borje Salming and Al Iafrate arriving in a Time Machine?
- gergeswillems

Yes, they've just been named the Wings' top 4.

Yes, they've just been named the Wings' top 4.
- djamon

Cool. It's a huge upgrade.

I should have mentioned Athanasiou and Mantha. Neither may even be on the team because of Holland signing Vanek,Nielsen and Ott on July 1st. I don't think Holland will part with either of them. I think with AA. Mantha and Svechnikov in the pipeline, it makes 1 of Nyquist or Tatar expendable.

Perhaps Murray doesn't want either of them. He likes big forwards. The Wings are up against the Cap right now even with the injuries to Pulkkinen and Jurco. So any potential trade would have to be dollar for dollar.

Unless Brendan Smith could be traded for a draft pick in a separate deal. Holland doesn't trade roster players so a Ducks-Wings trade is unlikely anyway. I can see Buffalo or Boston trading for Fowler.
- gergeswillems

Anthanasiou and Mantha are possibilities, more-so Mantha, but you'd need to throw in the 1st in 2017. I can't envision you guys moving Tatar, but you have a better pulse on your team than I do.

Nyquist would be the perfect move, but ANA's self-cap won't allow it.

Well, I don't know what his favourite food is, or whether he's a Marvel or DC guy. But I know he's not a top 4 on MY team, and we finished 30th.
- djamon

You own a team?

The dropoff on the Leafs after Gardiner and Reilly is pretty far. Neither Gardiner nor Reilly are LEGIT #1 dmen either, but that remains to be seen as I do think highly of them.

I don't think they're that much better, if at all, than Fowler.

Anthanasiou and Mantha are possibilities, more-so Mantha, but you'd need to throw in the 1st in 2017. I can't envision you guys moving Tatar, but you have a better pulse on your team than I do.

Nyquist would be the perfect move, but ANA's self-cap won't allow it.
- Rinosaur

I think Nyquist would be moved before Tatar would. But I don't think Tatar is untouchable. He is a RFA next summer. It would really depend on which player a team would want. They're quite even in value IMO.

You own a team?

The dropoff on the Leafs after Gardiner and Reilly is pretty far. Neither Gardiner nor Reilly are LEGIT #1 dmen either, but that remains to be seen as I do think highly of them.

I don't think they're that much better, if at all, than Fowler.
- Rinosaur

Both those guys are much, MUCH better than Fowler. I'm pretty sure Marincin and Zaitsev are both better than Fowler too. Not because they're world beaters, but mainly because Fowler is pretty poopty for the most part.

He doesn't need to sweeten anything. Fowler is a #2/#3 on most any team in the NHL, he's 24 years old and has two more years on his contract at $4M!

If ANA didn't have this self-imposed cap their options would be much greater. Fowler is ideal for "cap teams" who are competing for a cup every year and need/want to upgrade.

Fowler should have been defenseman in the Hall trade. Fowler should be the dman who brings Nash out from the Rangers.

If I'm tampa, I'm trying to move Cally for Fowler.

You don't have to agree with any of those, but my point is moving Fowler doesn't need sweetening. He's kind of in that "unicorn" position for playoff teams, but that self-imposed cap is shooting themselves in the foot.
- Rinosaur

That cally contract is terrible , who would take that on

Both those guys are much, MUCH better than Fowler. I'm pretty sure Marincin and Zaitsev are both better than Fowler too. Not because they're world beaters, but mainly because Fowler is pretty poopty for the most part.
- djamon

That cally contract is terrible , who would take that on
- way out west

I clearly state I'm just throwing out examples that many options would exist if ANA didn't have the self-imposed cap, nor does ANA need to sweeten the deal.

Not sure where the confusion is...

Both those guys are much, MUCH better than Fowler. I'm pretty sure Marincin and Zaitsev are both better than Fowler too. Not because they're world beaters, but mainly because Fowler is pretty poopty for the most part.
- djamon

Must be nice living in Leafs Fantasy Land. Fowler is at least on par with Reilly and Gardiner, if not a little better. The Leaf's defensive depth is pretty bad and there is a gigantic fall-off after the top two (neither of which I would consider a legit #1).

I don't know why I'm in this thread, my team has no need for more defenseman, but I find the Leafs-coloured glasses you're wearing hilarious.

Must be nice living in Leafs Fantasy Land. Fowler is at least on par with Reilly and Gardiner, if not a little better. The Leaf's defensive depth is pretty bad and there is a gigantic fall-off after the top two (neither of which I would consider a legit #1).

I don't know why I'm in this thread, my team has no need for more defenseman, but I find the Leafs-coloured glasses you're wearing hilarious.
- Helios

I find it interesting that people are talking about Hampus Lindholm (Lumpy) and thinking that he may sign a non-bridge deal at something around $5.5 or less.

Hampus, already, is a top 15 dman in the NHL. His agent is using the Ekblad deal as his comp and frankly.....it's a good comp. Hampus will not sign for anything less than $7 million per and that may force a trade for himself out of town.

If I was Toronto, i would literally be throwing whatever it took to get Lindholm right now. JVR, Kapanen, Brown +++ or whatever it would take. Same thing for Carolina, New Jersey, Edmonton, the Islanders...the list could go on and on.

Lumpy is that good.

Must be nice living in Leafs Fantasy Land. Fowler is at least on par with Reilly and Gardiner, if not a little better. The Leaf's defensive depth is pretty bad and there is a gigantic fall-off after the top two (neither of which I would consider a legit #1).

I don't know why I'm in this thread, my team has no need for more defenseman, but I find the Leafs-coloured glasses you're wearing hilarious.
- Helios

If you think Fowler is on par with either Rielly or Gardiner, well then you....

Ah (frank) it...it's just not worth it. Enjoy your Matlock marathon.

I find it interesting that people are talking about Hampus Lindholm (Lumpy) and thinking that he may sign a non-bridge deal at something around $5.5 or less.

Hampus, already, is a top 15 dman in the NHL. His agent is using the Ekblad deal as his comp and frankly.....it's a good comp. Hampus will not sign for anything less than $7 million per and that may force a trade for himself out of town.

If I was Toronto, i would literally be throwing whatever it took to get Lindholm right now. JVR, Kapanen, Brown +++ or whatever it would take. Same thing for Carolina, New Jersey, Edmonton, the Islanders...the list could go on and on.

Lumpy is that good.
- Dollars2Donuts

This is what scares me - he is that good - I advocated a yr ago signing him long term fearing just this scenario - Murray has been saying trust me in August or September it will be done - well it's basically September ... And so far nothing - World Cup starts in what 2 1/2 weeks and still nothing - I'm officially panicked -

If you think Fowler is on par with either Rielly or Gardiner, well then you....

Ah (frank) it...it's just not worth it. Enjoy your Matlock marathon.
- djamon

Even if he isn't, he's still much better than anyone on your bottom 4. He'd be your #3 defenseman at worst, absolutely no question.

But hey, you can keep thinking the Leafs have the best defense in the League if it makes you feel better.

Even if he isn't, he's still much better than anyone on your bottom 4. He'd be your #3 defenseman at worst, absolutely no question.

But hey, you can keep thinking the Leafs have the best defense in the League if it makes you feel better.
- Helios

Dude... the leafs are the best young team in the league. Wayyy ahead of Buffalo or Edmonton right now. Just ask Augello.