I hope ekland is wrong . I don't know when we can but i rather do a buy out . I'd rathet trade simon depres for peanuts . I'd rather watch half our fowards be prospects than get worked over in a trade . Maybe bobs trying to package a bad contract with a good player like Florida did. Who knows . But anyway you look at it , bob severely underestimated the trade market . I mean if he knew it was going to be this bad he would have bought out bieska or stoner when he could have .

Expansion revenue was specifically excluded from Hockey related revenue so the players aren't guaranteed a share or is the cap rising because of it but rest assured most teams are going to spend some of those monies on players which may effect escrow when all is said & done following the 2017-18 season.

I am stumped on how the devils could possibly trade for both of them. Seriously I think of all teams NJ is one that just legitimately cant do that.

I hope ekland is wrong . I don't know when we can but i rather do a buy out . I'd rathet trade simon depres for peanuts . I'd rather watch half our fowards be prospects than get worked over in a trade . Maybe bobs trying to package a bad contract with a good player like Florida did. Who knows . But anyway you look at it , bob severely underestimated the trade market . I mean if he knew it was going to be this bad he would have bought out bieska or stoner when he could have .
- Eman87654

We ll take Despres back if you're not using him. Not sure who we would give up though. Our defense is pretty set.

We ll take Despres back if you're not using him. Not sure who we would give up though. Our defense is pretty set.
- Dcoms

We only need cap space . Id take a 3rd rounder for him . But bob would probably want a second . Simon depres is a middle pairing dman so a third is nothing .

This would sure make things more interesting in the Metro...

I hope ekland is wrong . I don't know when we can but i rather do a buy out . I'd rathet trade simon depres for peanuts . I'd rather watch half our fowards be prospects than get worked over in a trade . Maybe bobs trying to package a bad contract with a good player like Florida did. Who knows . But anyway you look at it , bob severely underestimated the trade market . I mean if he knew it was going to be this bad he would have bought out bieska or stoner when he could have .
- Eman87654

You sound as if Murray needs to make a move. He doesn't. Fowler has 2 years left on his contract. He can be moved now, at the trade deadline, or before the expansion draft. Or not at all. Same can be said of Stoner, Despres, etc. Murray is not going to "get worked over in a trade." It's "assumed" he'll ask Bieksa to waive his NMC prior to the draft. Otherwise, he'll be bought out. No way Bieksa is protected. I would be more concerned Lindholm and Rakell aren't signed, however, in June Murray said both would be signed some time in August OR September, so I'll have to assume that's still happening.

Relax, the Ducks overloaded with D is a good thing.

I am stumped on how the devils could possibly trade for both of them. Seriously I think of all teams NJ is one that just legitimately cant do that.
- sendingSTRENGTH

From first-hand experience I can tell you that Shero is a master at this stuff. He's one of a few GMs who can figure out how to do it. I'm not saying you'll like what NJ would give up, but he's the one who can make it happen.

I just read that the rangers were favorites for shattenkirk, who/what are they giving up?
- highstick87

Vesey.


Shattenkirk and a first should do it...

From first-hand experience I can tell you that Shero is a master at this stuff. He's one of a few GMs who can figure out how to do it. I'm not saying you'll like what NJ would give up, but he's the one who can make it happen.
- Rinosaur

What do you think would be given up? Even if he's very good at working with what he has. I don't see it even with the whole roster available. Zajac/Cam cant have any value due to age and cap hits and injury history, hall-henrique-palms all have to be considered untouchable, and I doubt either st louis or anaheim are looking for goalie prospects

What do you think would be given up? Even if he's very good at working with what he has. I don't see it even with the whole roster available. Zajac/Cam cant have any value due to age and cap hits and injury history, hall-henrique-palms all have to be considered untouchable, and I doubt either st louis or anaheim are looking for goalie prospects
- sendingSTRENGTH

I guess it really depends on what ANA and STL would be looking for in return. It's so hard to gauge what they realistically want. If ANA is truly trying to stay with their imposed cap, you can probably get him for high picks and top prospects. However, I'm really not familiar with how good your prospect pool is.

STL would be a little more difficult because my guess is they want a hockey trade to keep them competitive. Moving Cam makes sense for you guys as well as STL. No offense, but it's unlikely Cam is going to get his cup with you. I think you guys will be a playoff team again, but not for a few years.

Cam would give STL the scoring they need and give you guys the defense you need.

I guess it really depends on what ANA and STL would be looking for in return. It's so hard to gauge what they realistically want. If ANA is truly trying to stay with their imposed cap, you can probably get him for high picks and top prospects. However, I'm really not familiar with how good your prospect pool is.

STL would be a little more difficult because my guess is they want a hockey trade to keep them competitive. Moving Cam makes sense for you guys as well as STL. No offense, but it's unlikely Cam is going to get his cup with you. I think you guys will be a playoff team again, but not for a few years.

Cam would give STL the scoring they need and give you guys the defense you need.
- Rinosaur

If willing I would suggest shero makes that work. But I did think of this:

If we go for both, we can afford to trade greene. Obviously a heart and soul guy for the devils but realistically, he seems to be liked around the league and could be a bridge to gap this idea:

1st, Boucher, Goalie Prospect for Fowler

Greene, 2nd, Goalie Prospect for Shatty

Might add cammy instead of goalie prospect for shattenkirk, but thats the only thing I could think of. Still feel that doesn't appeal either teams and how realistic would the devils acquiring 2 top d men like that, I doubt there's any way it happens.

If willing I would suggest shero makes that work. But I did think of this:

If we go for both, we can afford to trade greene. Obviously a heart and soul guy for the devils but realistically, he seems to be liked around the league and could be a bridge to gap this idea:

1st, Boucher, Goalie Prospect for Fowler

Greene, 2nd, Goalie Prospect for Shatty

Might add cammy instead of goalie prospect for shattenkirk, but thats the only thing I could think of. Still feel that doesn't appeal either teams and how realistic would the devils acquiring 2 top d men like that, I doubt there's any way it happens.
- sendingSTRENGTH

Again, it comes down to what each team wants. To me, a goalie prospect wouldn't be high on the Ducks' list of wants/needs. If I'm ANA, I'm want a young top-six forward still on his ELC. Again, that's what I'd WANT, but not necessarily get. ANA needs scoring since they've basically lost all their LWs lol. Cam could make sense to them too if the cap isn't an issue, but it appears like it is.

I don't know that moving Greene makes sense for STL. While yes, they're losing a dman so getting one in return would be good, I think they have different needs to fill. Even without Shattenkirk STL has a pretty solid d-core.

If I'm you guys I'd attempt it like this:

TO STL: Cammalleri
TO NJ: Shattenkirk

TO ANA: 2017 1st Round Pick, your selection from this year's draft and John Merril.
TO NJ: Cam Fowler

The ANA/NJ trade is probably way off, but again, I don't know what they want or what you have that they'd want.

You sound as if Murray needs to make a move. He doesn't. Fowler has 2 years left on his contract. He can be moved now, at the trade deadline, or before the expansion draft. Or not at all. Same can be said of Stoner, Despres, etc. Murray is not going to "get worked over in a trade." It's "assumed" he'll ask Bieksa to waive his NMC prior to the draft. Otherwise, he'll be bought out. No way Bieksa is protected. I would be more concerned Lindholm and Rakell aren't signed, however, in June Murray said both would be signed some time in August OR September, so I'll have to assume that's still happening.

Relax, the Ducks overloaded with D is a good thing.
- quackup

I'm not sure that not making a move is viable now . With the vermette signing takeing away another 1.5 million of cap space . The only thing we can do is sign rakell to a bridge deal . But I'd rather not do that . And having too many dmen is a problem with the expansion draft coming .

Again, it comes down to what each team wants. To me, a goalie prospect wouldn't be high on the Ducks' list of wants/needs. If I'm ANA, I'm want a young top-six forward still on his ELC. Again, that's what I'd WANT, but not necessarily get. ANA needs scoring since they've basically lost all their LWs lol. Cam could make sense to them too if the cap isn't an issue, but it appears like it is.

I don't know that moving Greene makes sense for STL. While yes, they're losing a dman so getting one in return would be good, I think they have different needs to fill. Even without Shattenkirk STL has a pretty solid d-core.

If I'm you guys I'd attempt it like this:

TO STL: Cammalleri
TO NJ: Shattenkirk

TO ANA: 2017 1st Round Pick, your selection from this year's draft and John Merril.
TO NJ: Cam Fowler

The ANA/NJ trade is probably way off, but again, I don't know what they want or what you have that they'd want.
- Rinosaur

Only thing is I would figure shattenkirk would be worth more than fowler. So I think a 2nd or something at least has to be added to the blues deal. Maybe throw in the first and give anaheim the 2nd in that deal.

Only thing is I would figure shattenkirk would be worth more than fowler. So I think a 2nd or something at least has to be added to the blues deal. Maybe throw in the first and give anaheim the 2nd in that deal.
- sendingSTRENGTH

Well the only downfall to Shattenkirk is he's going to probably get a around a $2M to $2.5M raise after this season, so STL has to understand that Shattenkirk is going to cost the trading team more money.

Cammalleri gives STL a bonafide scoring winger who's still under contract for three seasons, so I think it evens out.

Fowler IMO is worth more because he's under contract, and a very reasonable one at that. I loaded that NJ/ANA trade because I think other teams can offer more in terms of young top-six prospects or players. NJ would really have to auction off some serious chunks of the future to make it worthwhile to ANA.

I have no knowledge of what Murray is doing because he basically gives no clue to us - ... however I don't think he is going to sweeten the Fowler pot just to move him - nor do I believe he is going to get used on a trade for Cam is he decides to move him - Cam's skill set, contract and age are all on display for potential suitors - I think the most viable option is picks and prospects ... but who knows - But he will not just give him away - that I do know -

I have no knowledge of what Murray is doing because he basically gives no clue to us - ... however I don't think he is going to sweeten the Fowler pot just to move him - nor do I believe he is going to get used on a trade for Cam is he decides to move him - Cam's skill set, contract and age are all on display for potential suitors - I think the most viable option is picks and prospects ... but who knows - But he will not just give him away - that I do know -
- dozerD10

He doesn't need to sweeten anything. Fowler is a #2/#3 on most any team in the NHL, he's 24 years old and has two more years on his contract at $4M!

If ANA didn't have this self-imposed cap their options would be much greater. Fowler is ideal for "cap teams" who are competing for a cup every year and need/want to upgrade.

Fowler should have been defenseman in the Hall trade. Fowler should be the dman who brings Nash out from the Rangers.

If I'm tampa, I'm trying to move Cally for Fowler.

You don't have to agree with any of those, but my point is moving Fowler doesn't need sweetening. He's kind of in that "unicorn" position for playoff teams, but that self-imposed cap is shooting themselves in the foot.

I hope ekland is wrong . I don't know when we can but i rather do a buy out . I'd rathet trade simon depres for peanuts . I'd rather watch half our fowards be prospects than get worked over in a trade . Maybe bobs trying to package a bad contract with a good player like Florida did. Who knows . But anyway you look at it , bob severely underestimated the trade market . I mean if he knew it was going to be this bad he would have bought out bieska or stoner when he could have .
- Eman87654

I think Murray might already have a trade agreed upon with a team. He can't really deal Fowler until RFA Lindholm is signed. Fowler is his leverage right now. I think Detroit and Anaheim make ideal trade partners. Ducks are deep on defense while the Wings are deep at forward. Who knows...

He doesn't need to sweeten anything. Fowler is a #2/#3 on most any team in the NHL, he's 24 years old and has two more years on his contract at $4M!

If ANA didn't have this self-imposed cap their options would be much greater. Fowler is ideal for "cap teams" who are competing for a cup every year and need/want to upgrade.

Fowler should have been defenseman in the Hall trade. Fowler should be the dman who brings Nash out from the Rangers.

If I'm tampa, I'm trying to move Cally for Fowler.

You don't have to agree with any of those, but my point is moving Fowler doesn't need sweetening. He's kind of in that "unicorn" position for playoff teams, but that self-imposed cap is shooting themselves in the foot.
- Rinosaur

I like what you said - just throwing my 2 cents in on EK and his " Ducks may have to sweeten deal " ludicrous in my opinion -

I think Murray might already have a trade agreed upon with a team. He can't really deal Fowler until RFA Lindholm is signed. Fowler is his leverage right now. I think Detroit and Anaheim make ideal trade partners. Ducks are deep on defense while the Wings are deep at forward. Who knows...
- gergeswillems

Deep at forward is quite a stretch. Yeah, they have a lot of them, but it's clearly quantity over quality. What does DET have that you would really want? It's not like DET is going to give you Larkin or even Tatar.

You could probably get Nyquist if the cap wasn't a problem. Any affordable decent winger on DET worthy of Fowler is one they aren't going to give you.

A 1st from DET though would be something I'd go for since they're likely to draft in the top 15 next year.

I like what you said - just throwing my 2 cents in on EK and his " Ducks may have to sweeten deal " ludicrous in my opinion -
- dozerD10

Well you said pretty much what I came here to say. The expansion revenue is going to create a nice windfall for all small market teams, as it will increase the total HRR for this season from what I understand. I expect the Ducks will be a cap team if need be this season knowing that extra cash is coming, if that is what it takes to get the swedes signed.

That doesn't mean we won't still deal one or two of Fowler/Despres/Stoner, but those deals are more due to the fact that we have too many good young defensemen and not enough good young forwards. Cap space is certainly a concern, as it is with all teams, but to think the Ducks are going to give Fowler away for low value to save a few bucks is silly.

To say that the NJD will be making a play for Fowler AND Shatty is beyond silly.
- Frank_Grimes

1) Expansion revenue is NOT part HRR. So I imagine Anaheim's cheap ass owner will pocket about 100% of that money.

2) People are confusing a team's Cap commitments with their Salary commitments. While the Ducks may have been somewhat close to the Cap in year's past, they have never been close in salary to the Cap. They are currently at 66M in salary commitments, so they're right up against it with 2 guys left to sign.

He doesn't need to sweeten anything. Fowler is a #2/#3 on most any team in the NHL, he's 24 years old and has two more years on his contract at $4M!

If ANA didn't have this self-imposed cap their options would be much greater. Fowler is ideal for "cap teams" who are competing for a cup every year and need/want to upgrade.

Fowler should have been defenseman in the Hall trade. Fowler should be the dman who brings Nash out from the Rangers.

If I'm tampa, I'm trying to move Cally for Fowler.

You don't have to agree with any of those, but my point is moving Fowler doesn't need sweetening. He's kind of in that "unicorn" position for playoff teams, but that self-imposed cap is shooting themselves in the foot.
- Rinosaur

Yeah...no.

Yeah...no.

- djamon

If you don't think Fowler is a #2/#3 on most teams then you don't really know much about Fowler.