- bulet13

Kassian 2.0

The guy did rank Nylander 1 and Marner 6. Are you saying he has no idea what he's talking about and those rankings for those guys are wrong?
- rangerdanger94

I am more just not interested in what he has to say.

Only thing I was pointing out was guys like Mathews, keller etc. don’t belong on a team ranking from feb 11.

I like how people talk about how Arizona is making a mockery of the Salary cap but they're actual salaries they'll pay this year are higher than both Carolina and New Jersey.

Anyway, I've said too much.
- BINGO!

I dont think that includes not paying Datsyuk and whatever they may save with Bolland, which would put them very close to Carolina. My whole thing is that I hate seeing the Oakland A's make a run and then demolish their roster and sell off for prospects because they dont want to pay guys, I dont think its a mockery of anything. It is smart to capitalize on your assets, I just wouldnt appreciate that tactic as a fan hoping to see the team be competitive but a big chunk of your cap that is supposed to allow you to be competitive is tied up with dead money

I am more just not interested in what he has to say.

Only thing I was pointing out was guys like Mathews, keller etc. don’t belong on a team ranking from feb 11.
- Tumbleweed

Gotcha. Is there an more recent list like this somewhere? From any media outlet?

Because LTIR isn't that easy.
- Feds91Stammer

Florida is 9M under the cap, so it wouldn't be that hard for them. Technically, he wouldn't be on LTIR anyway. If Florida was a cap team, then I could see the difficulties of doing the LTIR cap dance with off season cap rules, being an issue.

Gotcha. Is there an more recent list like this somewhere? From any media outlet?
- rangerdanger94

here's one from a completely unbiased site

http://www.pensionplanpup...ted-nhl-prospects-ranking

There is basically no risk from the Coyotes side. While 11th overall was a classic example of big, powerforward going too high in the draft, I think Crouse is being underrated by a lot of people in the complete opposite fashion.

Fact is, he may or may not ever make the NHL - but that's irrelevant.

Just based on the POTENTIAL that he can be a late-blooming 6'4 monster is enough to make the risk/reward of this trade favorable for the Coyotes.

If he makes the NHL at all as a regular, he's worth a 2nd a 3rd easily.

If he ends up being a top 9 player, then you have basically hit a double. Anything over 20 goals and it's a homerun.

For a small amount of cash and cap space that is essentially irrelevant, as well as two picks (one of which is Detroit's and the other of which they can easily recoup for a vet at the deadline later this year) the team with the deepest prospect pool in hockey can easily afford the risk of this trade.

The reward could be great. Because, even though players of LC's profile don't tend to live up to their draft-position/hype, a 6'4 220 lbs player who can skate at the NHL level does could always turn into something.

Assuming the OHL and WHL are roughly equal leagues, both Crouse and Lucic went from scoring about one in ever four games in their first season to one in every two by their last.

If there is even a 1% chance that Crouse becomes a Lucic, then this move is a no-brainer for the Coyotes.
- James_Tanner

No chance that the 2nd or 3rd round pick the Yotes gave up could wind up a "Lucic". What about if Bolland gets healthy and wants to play again? Any chance of that?

Bust for busted, sounds even to me!!!!

Vesey is a top 5 prospect in the nhl.

Crouse is not.

It should be about vesey.
- Tumbleweed

whos Vesey ?

whos Vesey ?
- Xizord

Ask garf

here's one from a completely unbiased site

http://www.pensionplanpup...ted-nhl-prospects-ranking
- Tumbleweed

its not bad but there is definitely a bias towards players drafted this year

Someone said there is no chance a Lucic like player gets taken with the second rounder given up- why not? Lucic actually WAS a second rounder obtained when the Bruins traded Samsonov to the Oilers. Marchand was a second rounder too. It is a bit rare to have true impact players picked in round two but certainly possible.

Someone said there is no chance a Lucic like player gets taken with the second rounder given up- why not? Lucic actually WAS a second rounder obtained when the Bruins traded Samsonov to the Oilers. Marchand was a second rounder too. It is a bit rare to have true impact players picked in round two but certainly possible.
- Top_Shelf_Shot

no one is denying that a second rounder can turn into a good player we're just saying its less likely and why not trade 2 3rd rounders for someone you think has a reasonable shot at an nhl role

Florida is 9M under the cap, so it wouldn't be that hard for them. Technically, he wouldn't be on LTIR anyway. If Florida was a cap team, then I could see the difficulties of doing the LTIR cap dance with off season cap rules, being an issue.
- MJL

He would be on LTIR it just wouldn't provide any relief. However moving him know helps for next season when Smith and Ekblad's extensions kick in as well as Huberdeau, Pysyk, and Petrovic's new deals.

here's one from a completely unbiased site

http://www.pensionplanpup...ted-nhl-prospects-ranking
- Tumbleweed

Not a terrible list

No chance that the 2nd or 3rd round pick the Yotes gave up could wind up a "Lucic". What about if Bolland gets healthy and wants to play again? Any chance of that?
- MJL

Do some research man

Do some research man
- Feds91Stammer

that's too hard. that's why I let you do all the research for me

Someone said there is no chance a Lucic like player gets taken with the second rounder given up- why not? Lucic actually WAS a second rounder obtained when the Bruins traded Samsonov to the Oilers. Marchand was a second rounder too. It is a bit rare to have true impact players picked in round two but certainly possible.
- Top_Shelf_Shot

A 2nd round pick doesn't have all that much of a higher probability to make it to the NHL than a 7th round pick.

A 2nd round pick doesn't have all that much of a higher probability to make it to the NHL than a 7th round pick.
- Feds91Stammer

probability is for boneheads and bruinsiak

He would be on LTIR it just wouldn't provide any relief. However moving him know helps for next season when Smith and Ekblad's extensions kick in as well as Huberdeau, Pysyk, and Petrovic's new deals.
- Feds91Stammer

He would be on regular IR, not LTIR. LTIR is only used in situations where replacing the player, would put a team over the upper limit. LTIR doesn't exist when a team is under the upper limit. A team using LTIR is essentially over the Upper Limit and not banking cap space. A team must use all of it's cap space under the Upper Limit before qualifying for the LTIR exemption which is what it is, an exemption to go over the Upper Limit to replace an injured player.

True, moving the Bolland contract could help them in future years.

Do some research man
- Feds91Stammer

LOL. You crack me up.

A 2nd round pick doesn't have all that much of a higher probability to make it to the NHL than a 7th round pick.
- Feds91Stammer

Did you research this? A player drafted in the 2nd round has about a 44% chance of making the NHL. A player in the 7th round has about a 20% or less chance. That's a significant difference.

here's one from a completely unbiased site

http://www.pensionplanpup...ted-nhl-prospects-ranking
- Tumbleweed

Hmmm I do not like some of these rankings, therefore this list is wrong

Did you research this? A player drafted in the 2nd round has about a 44% chance of making the NHL. A player in the 7th round has about a 20% or less chance. That's a significant difference.
- MJL

What's the difference between a 3rd rounder and a 7th?

What's the difference between a 3rd rounder and a 7th?
- rangerdanger94

Somewhere around 15%