Exactly. Crouse is fine. He's not likely to be a 1st line player but can easily become a fringe 2nd line/3rd line winger who will score 15-20 goals which is fine. He's a big guy too. Phoenix loses nothing in this deal.
- Bruiniak

he's no Vesey thats for sure. that guy is gonna lead the Bruins to the promised land

It's nice to see some posters talking about Bolland. It seems that most people think he will be relegated to LTIR, but I seriously doubt that will be the case. This trade would have been fine if LTIR was assured....

The way it sits, this puts Arizona in a pretty poor spot. I am not sure any team out there would pay $16.5 million real dollars (especially a team in the desert) for a player that 'may' be a second line winger one day....plus they gave up two picks for the right to do that.

Datsyuk and Pronger's deals make sense....this one, not so much.

There is basically no risk from the Coyotes side. While 11th overall was a classic example of big, powerforward going too high in the draft, I think Crouse is being underrated by a lot of people in the complete opposite fashion.

Fact is, he may or may not ever make the NHL - but that's irrelevant.

Just based on the POTENTIAL that he can be a late-blooming 6'4 monster is enough to make the risk/reward of this trade favorable for the Coyotes.

If he makes the NHL at all as a regular, he's worth a 2nd a 3rd easily.

If he ends up being a top 9 player, then you have basically hit a double. Anything over 20 goals and it's a homerun.

For a small amount of cash and cap space that is essentially irrelevant, as well as two picks (one of which is Detroit's and the other of which they can easily recoup for a vet at the deadline later this year) the team with the deepest prospect pool in hockey can easily afford the risk of this trade.

The reward could be great. Because, even though players of LC's profile don't tend to live up to their draft-position/hype, a 6'4 220 lbs player who can skate at the NHL level does could always turn into something.

Assuming the OHL and WHL are roughly equal leagues, both Crouse and Lucic went from scoring about one in ever four games in their first season to one in every two by their last.

If there is even a 1% chance that Crouse becomes a Lucic, then this move is a no-brainer for the Coyotes.

There is almost basically no risk from the Coyotes side. While 11th overall was a classic example of big, powerforward going too high in the draft, I think Crouse is being underrated by a lot of people in the complete opposite fashion.

Fact is, he may or may not ever make the NHL - but that's irrelevant.

Just based on the POTENTIAL that he can be a late-blooming 6'4 monster is enough to make the risk/reward of this trade favorable for the Coyotes.

If he makes the NHL at all as a regular, he's worth a 2nd a 3rd easily.

If he ends up being a top 9 player, then you have basically hit a double. Anything over 20 goals and it's a homerun.

For a small amount of cash and cap space that is essentially irrelevant, as well as two picks (one of which is Detroit's and the other of which they can easily recoup for a vet at the deadline later this year) the team with the deepest prospect pool in hockey can easily afford the risk of this trade.

The reward could be great. Because, even though players of LC's profile don't tend to live up to their draft-position/hype, a 6'4 220 lbs player who can skate at the NHL level does could always turn into something.

Assuming the OHL and WHL are roughly equal leagues, both Crouse and Lucic went from scoring about one in ever four games in their first season to one in every two by their last.

If there is even a 1% chance that Crouse becomes a Lucic, then this move is a no-brainer for the Coyotes.
- James_Tanner

this thread has been hijacked. it is no longer about crouse. bruinsiak is here so its all vesey now

There is basically no risk from the Coyotes side. While 11th overall was a classic example of big, powerforward going too high in the draft, I think Crouse is being underrated by a lot of people in the complete opposite fashion.

Fact is, he may or may not ever make the NHL - but that's irrelevant.

Just based on the POTENTIAL that he can be a late-blooming 6'4 monster is enough to make the risk/reward of this trade favorable for the Coyotes.

If he makes the NHL at all as a regular, he's worth a 2nd a 3rd easily.

If he ends up being a top 9 player, then you have basically hit a double. Anything over 20 goals and it's a homerun.

For a small amount of cash and cap space that is essentially irrelevant, as well as two picks (one of which is Detroit's and the other of which they can easily recoup for a vet at the deadline later this year) the team with the deepest prospect pool in hockey can easily afford the risk of this trade.

The reward could be great. Because, even though players of LC's profile don't tend to live up to their draft-position/hype, a 6'4 220 lbs player who can skate at the NHL level does could always turn into something.

Assuming the OHL and WHL are roughly equal leagues, both Crouse and Lucic went from scoring about one in ever four games in their first season to one in every two by their last.

If there is even a 1% chance that Crouse becomes a Lucic, then this move is a no-brainer for the Coyotes.
- James_Tanner

can't fault your logic, but theres a big assumption there.

You are assuming Bolland is LTIR for the duration of the contract. seems likely. But if he's not you just paid a $10 million buyout fee and 2 3rd round pick for a B-prospect.

It's nice to see some posters talking about Bolland. It seems that most people think he will be relegated to LTIR, but I seriously doubt that will be the case. This trade would have been fine if LTIR was assured....

The way it sits, this puts Arizona in a pretty poor spot. I am not sure any team out there would pay $16.5 million real dollars (especially a team in the desert) for a player that 'may' be a second line winger one day....plus they gave up two picks for the right to do that.

Datsyuk and Pronger's deals make sense....this one, not so much.
- Dollars2Donuts

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...ble-future-due-to-injury/

this thread has been hijacked. it is no longer about crouse. bruinsiak is here so its all vesey now
- bulet13

Vesey is a top 5 prospect in the nhl.

Crouse is not.

It should be about vesey.

Arizona spends money to get a decent prospect. Florida clears cap space. All good for both teams. Nothing major. No need to over analyze.

Vesey is a top 5 prospect in the nhl.

Crouse is not.

It should be about vesey.
- Tumbleweed

Top 10

Top 10
- rangerdanger94

Bruinsiak said top 5


I believe him over you

Vesey is a top 5 prospect in the nhl.

Crouse is not.

It should be about vesey.
- Tumbleweed

Vesey is not a prospect. he's already a veteran. Top 5 player int he NHL over the past 20 years

Top 10
- rangerdanger94

I am 99% sure this is sarcasm, but for the record, the Coyotes have at least ten prospects that are superior to Vesey.

I am 99% sure this is sarcasm, but for the record, the Coyotes have at least ten prospects that are superior to Vesey.
- James_Tanner

only 99% sure?

I am 99% sure this is sarcasm, but for the record, the Coyotes have at least ten prospects that are superior to Vesey.
- James_Tanner

I'm just going off this:
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.436669

can't fault your logic, but theres a big assumption there.

You are assuming Bolland is LTIR for the duration of the contract. seems likely. But if he's not you just paid a $10 million buyout fee and 2 3rd round pick for a B-prospect.
- sditulli

Even if Bolland ends up playing, the Coyotes have 30 million coming off the books after this season and none of their best players will need big money for a couple years after that - maybe OEL, but that's one guy.

Yes, Bolland is a joke @$5 mill but he'd still probably be a decent 4th liner, so if his money isn't preventing other moves, which it won't be, it's OK if he does play. Not gonna hurt a thing.

I'm just going off this:
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.436669
- rangerdanger94

that list made me lose whatever brain cells I had left

I'm just going off this:
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.436669
- rangerdanger94

Classic Button!!

I'd trust a list you wrote more than his.

Considering the Leafs have Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Brown, Kappanen and Rychel and the Coyotes have Domi, Duclair, Strome, Keller, Chychrun and Dvorak, I think Button's list is terrible.

That's just two teams and arguably you could go deeper on both of them with superior players to Vesey. Hell, Josh Leivo put up better AHL numbers than Vesey did in the NCAA and that's a way easier league.

Classic Button!!

I'd trust a list you wrote more than his.

Considering the Leafs have Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Brown, Kappanen and Rychel and the Coyotes have Domi, Duclair, Strome, Keller, Chychrun and Dvorak, I think Button's list is terrible.

That's just two teams and arguably you could go deeper on both of them with superior players to Vesey. Hell, Josh Leivo put up better AHL numbers than Vesey did in the NCAA and that's a way easier league.
- James_Tanner

Meh I guess we'll see how everyone's rookie seasons play out

Classic Button!!

I'd trust a list you wrote more than his.

Considering the Leafs have Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Brown, Kappanen and Rychel and the Coyotes have Domi, Duclair, Strome, Keller, Chychrun and Dvorak, I think Button's list is terrible.

That's just two teams and arguably you could go deeper on both of them with superior players to Vesey. Hell, Josh Leivo put up better AHL numbers than Vesey did in the NCAA and that's a way easier league.
- James_Tanner

the only pass i give button - his list is as of Feb 11.

I like how people talk about how Arizona is making a mockery of the Salary cap but they're actual salaries they'll pay this year are higher than both Carolina and New Jersey.

Anyway, I've said too much.

I like how people talk about how Arizona is making a mockery of the Salary cap but they're actual salaries they'll pay this year are higher than both Carolina and New Jersey.

Anyway, I've said too much.
- BINGO!

I think the salary cap websites are including datsyuk...which will actually be zero

the only pass i give button - his list is as of Feb 11.
- Tumbleweed

The guy did rank Nylander 1 and Marner 6. Are you saying he has no idea what he's talking about and those rankings for those guys are wrong?

I think the salary cap websites are including datsyuk...which will actually be zero
- Tumbleweed

Nah. That's even without Datsyuk.

Carolina's actual salary is less than $55 million.

Even if Crouse has no skill, I think its a great for Arizona based on his size alone. Throw in the skill he does have and will get better, then you start to think how dangerous AZ will be with Strome, Domi, Duclair, Crouse, E.Larsson.

Im not a Yote fan but it feels like for the first time in a long time they are on the right path.

Even if Crouse has no skill, I think its a great for Arizona based on his size alone. Throw in the skill he does have and will get better, then you start to think how dangerous AZ will be with Strome, Domi, Duclair, Crouse, E.Larsson.

Im not a Yote fan but it feels like for the first time in a long time they are on the right path.
- Leniwm1