Texas has cowboys; Tennessee has country and western singers.
- Leafsandbolts

Same same.

- Atomic Wedgie

That wasnt a dive, he's just a wussy..

(frank) that piece of poop Hossa and everyone that looks like him. Screwed the Leafs for years when he took out Berard's eye - without so much as a penalty or a slap on the wrist. If he got hit by a bus tomorrow I'd do a jig.
- winsix

I have a hard time telling if you're actually this dumb or you just enjoy saying inflammatory things because you have a deep hole in your personality.

Let's see

1) Kessel Drafted 5th overall , Pacioretty #22
2) Kessel has had seasons of 80 and 82 points, Pacioretti topped out at 67 - noting Kessel played with lesser players while in Toronto,
3) Pacioretti's only claim to fame was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimZ1tSdPY0





- winsix

Kessel put up those big points with JVR on his line. He's shown that he plays better without a great centre (Bozak and Bonino vs. Crosby and Malkin).

Who has Patchy Patch played with that's so much to his advantage?

(frank), why are you making me post in support of that bumhole?

Can tell he never played organized soccer/football. His dive needs some work.
- Leafsandbolts

I have a hard time telling if you're actually this dumb or you just enjoy saying inflammatory things because you have a deep hole in your personality.
- BINGO!

IDK I was pretty pissed how Hossa got off easy after the Bryan Berard incident. Berard was one of our better defensemen.

While is is extremely sad and unfortunate that Berard suffered that eye injury, it seems that in the years since, the legend of Berard has grown and grown.

The truth is, he was a wildly inconsistent player. Just prior to the injury, Quinn had called him a "work in progress."
- Atomic Wedgie

D-man - occasionally are great - right out of the gate - Bobby Orr was. Sometimes they take a few years to develop. Berard never got that chance because of that turd. Chris Pronger was not a great d-man his first couple of seasons in Hartford - that changed.

Texas has cowboys; Tennessee has country and western singers.
- Leafsandbolts

Spent any time in Tennessee? If you have, you should know that there's no difference from the perspective of the country musicians.

Yeah, but if they didn't pick a bunch of scrubs and leave some of the best freaking players in the world off of their team...

What's that? Faulk and Shattenkirk are legitimate top pairing defensemen? Better not choose them. We need room for Jack (frank)ing Johnson.
- BINGO!

I don't understand why people are saying to me that "yeah, but you can't complain about team North America because you picked a poopty team".

I (frank)ing said they made poopty decisions in the original post

I just qualified it with Team NA makes those roster omissions that much worse. FFS

IDK I was pretty pissed how Hossa got off easy after the Bryan Berard incident. Berard was one of our better defensemen.
- AustonPowers

It's for the best that the leafs never win anything.

Some of you would become completely insufferable.

It's for the best that the leafs never win anything.

Some of you would become completely insufferable.
- BINGO!

Pardon? We've clearly won something recently, and many of us have been insufferable long before that.

I don't understand why people are saying to me that "yeah, but you can't complain about team North America because you picked a poopty team".

I (frank)ing said they made poopty decisions in the original post

I just qualified it with Team NA makes those roster omissions that much worse. FFS
- RickJames77

Team NA doesn't help, i'll give you that.

Seriously?

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but go frank yourself, markmark.

It was a dive.
- Atomic Wedgie

I know there is no slashing in power-walking so you will have to take my word for it.

IDK I was pretty pissed how Hossa got off easy after the Bryan Berard incident. Berard was one of our better defensemen.
- AustonPowers

This is questionable.

The year of his injury, we also had:

Kaberle - clearly better

Yuskevich - clearly better

Markov - the booze was hurting his game by this point, so Berard was probably better

Karpotsev - probably better than Berard

Cory Cross - apples to oranges, but a good 3rd pairing guy

Basically Berard was an earlier version of Gardiner.

Spent any time in Tennessee? If you have, you should know that there's no difference from the perspective of the country musicians.
- 1979AD

Thats being polite..

Spent any time in Tennessee? If you have, you should know that there's no difference from the perspective of the country musicians.
- 1979AD

I'm going to Nashville for a Preds and Titans game in November. Looking forward to it - heard that city is a lot of fun.

Pardon? We've clearly won something recently, and many of us have been insufferable long before that.


- 1979AD

You make a good point.

Spent any time in Tennessee? If you have, you should know that there's no difference from the perspective of the country musicians.
- 1979AD

Actually yes, Volunteers usually have a great team.

Real cowboys have dirty hats without rhinestones and walk funny. Some C&W musicians walk funny too. Close enough.

Team NA doesn't help, i'll give you that.
- BINGO!

That's all I was saying

I started that post with Idk what team USA does when they makeup their roster.

D-man - occasionally are great - right out of the gate - Bobby Orr was. Sometimes they take a few years to develop. Berard never got that chance because of that turd. Chris Pronger was not a great d-man his first couple of seasons in Hartford - that changed.
- winsix

Berard got hurt his 5th year in the NHL.

I'm not saying he sucked.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have developed further and become a much more reliable defenceman.

What I am saying is that people tend to mythologize him due to his injury. The fact is at the time, he was wildly inconsistent.

Not irrelevant - Kessel went fifth because he has more talent - period. I have no love for Kessel - so your Montreal bias is not allowing you to make a rational assessment.

Kessel was one of the best players on the team that just won the cup, Pacioretty was one of the best players and the Captain of a dreadful team and he was part of the reason they were so poopty. Look at his plus minus for (frank) sake.

Was a weak attempt at humor - luckily he did not get hurt.
- winsix

So by your logic, every player who was drafted at a higher number has more talent than others drafter after them? There are so many examples of players being drafted in the top 5 who ended up being worst players than players drafted later on? Hell Datsuyk was like a 6th round pick, does he suck? And Kessel was drafted in 2005, Pacioretty in 2007... this whole point is foolish.

While I disagree with your point on Pacioretty and the whole meaning of the +/- stat, his whole team had a horrible season and he still managed to get over 30 goals and over 60 points, I expect more out of him next year and wouldn't be surprised to see him go back to his usual +/- stats which is usually much, much higher.

At least the argument of Kessel rising his level of play during the playoffs makes sense to me, you should stick to that.

I'm done.

I'm going to Nashville for a Preds and Titans game in November. Looking forward to it - heard that city is a lot of fun.
- RickJames77

It is - you'll have a blast. Friendly folks, good food scene, and the best live music bar culture (and not just Country) around, with all due respect to Austin.

I know there is no slashing in power-walking so you will have to take my word for it.
- markmark

BUT THERE ARE SAVAGE ELBOWING ATTACKS!!!!!!!!

This is questionable.

The year of his injury, we also had:

Kaberle - clearly better

Yuskevich - clearly better

Markov - the booze was hurting his game by this point, so Berard was probably better

Karpotsev - probably better than Berard

Cory Cross - apples to oranges, but a good 3rd pairing guy

Basically Berard was an earlier version of Gardiner.
- Atomic Wedgie

Karpotsev sucked

Cory Cross was terrible.

It's for the best that the leafs never win anything.

Some of you would become completely insufferable.
- BINGO!

Some of us?


Try every single (frank)ing one of us