Hagg and Morin won't get you much. Sanheim would fetch a good return and Provocop should be untouchable.
- Feds91Stammer

Morin will certainly fetch a decent return

Then why did Florida want to trade him, they should have simply put him on LTIR when the season started. It's certainly not as simple as you're making it out to be.
- LeftCoaster

Except LTIR isn't simple...

Morin will certainly fetch a decent return
- bulet13

Not totally sold on him having a very high ceiling.

Is he overpaying? Cause you're not generally going to give away your 11th overall pick one year later for a 2nd and a 3rd. It seems that its a fair cost.
- James_Tanner

If Crouse is the cost of getting rid of Bolland's contract why are the picks included? Makes no sense! If you need to include a pick don't make it a couple thirds. Arizona will be a non-playoff team, those could be valuable picks, make them 5/6/7 picks.

At this time, you can basically divide the NHL players, fans and management into two groups: people who think Eric Gudbranson is a first-pairing defenseman and people who think he's massively over-rated.

I don't know anyone who thinks Gudbranson's a first pairing d-men. Top 4 20 minute a night guy with a mean streak at his full potential, sure. But top pairing?

James. Bolland an vermettes HERO charts are nearly identical and considering Vermette scores at almost 3 times the rate of bolland and actually plays the games I'm don't think bolland is an improvement over Vermette. I'm interested to see how you came to that conclusion?

But regardless I think this trade is a big win for the yotes. Hollands contract will never actually hurt the yotes cap situation and it would be really hard to draft a player in the 2nd or 3rd round that has the tools or potential that carouse has. I'm not sold on crouse but he has a much better chance of being a NHLer than either of the futures picks would
- kessellover69

Bolland is way better than Vermette. Vermette only scored more because your counting the powerplay. Do you ever think anyone will ever give him that much PP time again? No way. So he doesn't really score any more than him. And he's worse defensively.

Then why did Florida want to trade him, they should have simply put him on LTIR when the season started. It's certainly not as simple as you're making it out to be.
- LeftCoaster

Because ltir cap space is not as good as actual cap space

i think crouse is in that boat lol
- bulet13

why, he hasn't even played a full year of pro hockey yet?

You're suggesting that Crouse was the price Florida had to pay to get rid of Bolland, but I don't agree. Crouse probably still carries roughly late 1st round value. Bolland's is easier to take on than a guy like Bryan Bickell's for example because you can get rid of his cap hit if you spend to the cap using LTIR. Insurance pays a portion of his actual salary no matter what.

Crouse carries more value than a 2nd/3rd + 3rd. So I'd argue that taking on Bolland's contract roughly makes up for that, especially considering his health status.

I can see why both teams made this deal. If Bolland was healthy, I'd agree that this is a terrible deal and the picks would make it an overpayment since Crouse's stock has dropped since being drafted.

Btw hai!
- Nucker101

Hi

And I still disagree with you, I believe those picks are too high, should've been 5th 6th or 7th round picks.

If Crouse is the cost of getting rid of Bolland's contract why are the picks included? Makes no sense! If you need to include a pick don't make it a couple thirds. Arizona will be a non-playoff team, those could be valuable picks, make them 5/6/7 picks.
- LeftCoaster

There really hasn't been a presedent set with these deals that suggests Crouse should be the cost to get rid of Bolland. I don't believe a team has straight up given an asset with his value just to get rid of a contract.

"As you can see from the chart, Bolland is barely an upgrade over Antoine Vermette."

"Bolland is - if he gets healthy and is better than last year - potentially a pretty big upgrade over Vermette,"


- Conquest

Exactly, he's not much of an upgrade based on his last season. But he wasn't healthy. Assuming he's healthy and improves - which you didn't include but which I did mention was unlikely - then he could be a huge upgrade. He's 5 years younger/

I don't know anyone who thinks Gudbranson's a first pairing d-men. Top 4 20 minute a night guy with a mean streak at his full potential, sure. But top pairing?
- mykokes

Bottom pair at best.

Exactly, he's not much of an upgrade based on his last season. But he wasn't healthy. Assuming he's healthy and improves - which you didn't include but which I did mention was unlikely - then he could be a huge upgrade. He's 5 years younger/
- James_Tanner

Bolland is done. Vermette kinda sucks now too, still provides value as a good faceoff man at least.

Because ltir cap space is not as good as actual cap space
- Tumbleweed

That's why you have to pay the piper to get rid of the contract, which one could say they did when they gave up Crouse, however, why is Zona sending quality picks the other way?

My stance is the picks Arizona sent to Florida are too high IMO.

Exactly, he's not much of an upgrade based on his last season. But he wasn't healthy. Assuming he's healthy and improves - which you didn't include but which I did mention was unlikely - then he could be a huge upgrade. He's 5 years younger/
- James_Tanner

Bolland is not an upgrade on anything. "He improves", where will that improvement come from? His entire career is 3rd line numbers, age doesn't matter when you're one hit away from being out of the game permanently.

If Crouse is the cost of getting rid of Bolland's contract why are the picks included? Makes no sense! If you need to include a pick don't make it a couple thirds. Arizona will be a non-playoff team, those could be valuable picks, make them 5/6/7 picks.
- LeftCoaster

I can't understand what you're saying. The cost is the cost.

That's why you have to pay the piper to get rid of the contract, which one could say they did when they gave up Crouse, however, why is Zona sending quality picks the other way?

My stance is the picks Arizona sent to Florida are too high IMO.
- LeftCoaster

If it's the 2nd, then I'll agree. If it's just two 3rd's, I's say it's a fair trade with all things considered.

That's why you have to pay the piper to get rid of the contract, which one could say they did when they gave up Crouse, however, why is Zona sending quality picks the other way?

My stance is the picks Arizona sent to Florida are too high IMO.
- LeftCoaster

What picks were those?

There really hasn't been a presedent set with these deals that suggests Crouse should be the cost to get rid of Bolland. I don't believe a team has straight up given an asset with his value just to get rid of a contract.
- Nucker101

I believe teams have given up quality assets to get out from under bad contracts.

Edit: the caveat in all of this is Bolland may or may not ever play again.

Bolland is not an upgrade on anything. "He improves", where will that improvement come from? His entire career is 3rd line numbers, age doesn't matter when you're one hit away from being out of the game permanently.
- Conquest

Hi improvement would be returning to his previous season istead of last season. Not saying that was great or anything but it's massively better than what Vermette provides.

Bottom pair at best.
- Feds91Stammer

I used to call him Luke Schenn Pt. 2. But somewhere along the way last season, he started to carve his own niche it seemed, and had more of a mean streak than Schenn ever did. And he wasn't as slow as Schenn. I think he can be a very servicable #4 playing 20 minutes a night.

I believe teams have given up quality assets to get out from under bad contracts.
- LeftCoaster

Yes. But has anyone just outright given up an asset like Crouse without getting anything of value back just to dump a contract that can be LTIR'd?

Hi improvement would be returning to his previous season istead of last season. Not saying that was great or anything but it's massively better than what Vermette provides.
- James_Tanner

Call me crazy, but I'm guessing all the serious concussion's have (frank)ed with Bolland's training and probably don't allow for him to play with the same mentality he once did.

Yes. But has anyone just outright given up an asset like Crouse without getting anything of value back just to dump a contract that can be LTIR'd?
- Nucker101

I'd have to look back and you know I'm old'ish….I don't have the time as I've got fishing and golfing and stuff like that to do. Plus the list my wife gives me every week hasn't been started yet and it's already Thursday….it's Thursday right?

What? I thought insurance paid all of it.
- prock

“But after 30 consecutive games, the insurance kicks in, with the insurance company paying 80 per cent of that player’s salary while the team picks up the other 20 per cent. “


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