Is crouse really that good though ?

A washed-up 30+ player who's chronically injured and a prospect whose stock has dropped low even after he was reached for a year ago for what will end up as 2 3rd rounders

MASSIVE!
- jmatchett383

It is massive for Tanner. He has nothing to look forward to during an NHL season except for trades where they get a known player. Bolland is a big deal in Arizona but nowhere as much as Datsyuk or Pronger... It is the only way any All star will be mentioned in the same sentence as Arizona Coyotes. OEL will be traded in 2-3 years and Tanner will start hating him just like he switched tunes with Yandle the second he was traded.

that's how I see it as well.

Though according to some he got the bets of Holland as well!!!
- rinaldo

Lefty, the fact this guy's agreeing with you should raise a red flag.

It is massive for Tanner. He has nothing to look forward to during an NHL season except for trades where they get a known player. Bolland is a big deal in Arizona but nowhere as much as Datsyuk or Pronger... It is the only way any All star will be mentioned in the same sentence as Arizona Coyotes. OEL will be traded in 2-3 years and Tanner will start hating him just like he switched tunes with Yandle the second he was traded.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Should of got way more for taking 3 years of 5.5 million. It should of been bolland straight up for crouse. Or better yet a better prospect...that's what you get when you hire a gm that just hit puberty

James. Bolland an vermettes HERO charts are nearly identical and considering Vermette scores at almost 3 times the rate of bolland and actually plays the games I'm don't think bolland is an improvement over Vermette. I'm interested to see how you came to that conclusion?

But regardless I think this trade is a big win for the yotes. Hollands contract will never actually hurt the yotes cap situation and it would be really hard to draft a player in the 2nd or 3rd round that has the tools or potential that carouse has. I'm not sold on crouse but he has a much better chance of being a NHLer than either of the futures picks would

Is crouse really that good though ?
- Santo_44

No

that's how I see it as well.

Though according to some he got the bets of Holland as well!!!
- rinaldo

OMGZ! Ron Francis got schooled. fire him too! Probably cause he has no NHL experience:


Chicago Blackhawks traded Teuvo Teravainen and Bryan Bickell to the Carolina Hurricanes for a second-round draft pick in 2016 and a third-round draft pick in 2017.

tanner what forward prospect on Arizona would you move to the flyers for a D prospect? the rushkie is off the table as cant see flyers dealing him.

what would be a return the analytics Gm would look at if he flipped crouse?

that's how I see it as well.

Though according to some he got the bets of Holland as well!!!
- rinaldo

If I'm not mistaken the Cyotes are on a budget no? I'm sure they want to be somewhat competive in 2-3 years. Taking on 5.5 million and giving up a 2ndand a 3rd getting a B-/B prospect is not worth it.

tanner what forward prospect on Arizona would you move to the flyers for a D prospect? the rushkie is off the table as cant see flyers dealing him.

what would be a return the analytics Gm would look at if he flipped crouse?
- rinaldo

maybe hagg but i cant see them giving up any of the big 3

Buyout period is over. Crouse isn't very good. FL frees up cap space for Huberdeau's next contract and Ekblad's huge contract. Also gives them more flexibility for trades.
- Feds91Stammer

I'd assume they knew Bolland was under contract during the buyout period... so is this really a salary dump? And they figure they're happy to get a 2nd and 3d while giving up a prospect they don't think is going to be a big deal? So why did AZ do it?

the only reason Vesey became a thing is because the Leafs were in on it, and Canada's sports media is among the most pathetic entities in the Western world. if Kyle Dubas takes a poop it gets a 3-page spread in the Sunday papers here. if the Leafs weren't interested no one would have known anything about the guy.
- DoubleDown

My poop got media once.

There was a picture of jesus in it.

OMGZ! Ron Francis got schooled. fire him too! Probably cause he has no NHL experience:


Chicago Blackhawks traded Teuvo Teravainen and Bryan Bickell to the Carolina Hurricanes for a second-round draft pick in 2016 and a third-round draft pick in 2017.
- Tumbleweed

how many years does bickel have left? how many does bolland? so not really a great comparison. how much does bickel and bolland make?

Is he overpaying? Cause you're not generally going to give away your 11th overall pick one year later for a 2nd and a 3rd. It seems that its a fair cost.
- James_Tanner

Unless you made a grave mistake with that 11th overall pick. For example, I'm sure we would've taken two 3rds for Tyler Biggs a year after he was drafted

tanner what forward prospect on Arizona would you move to the flyers for a D prospect? the rushkie is off the table as cant see flyers dealing him.

what would be a return the analytics Gm would look at if he flipped crouse?
- rinaldo

Hagg and Morin won't get you much. Sanheim would fetch a good return and Provocop should be untouchable.

maybe hagg but i cant see them giving up any of the big 3
- bulet13

whatever forward who is in the same boat as haag is all you will get for haag imo. haag is more suspect than prospect.

how many years does bickel have left? how many does bolland? so not really a great comparison. how much does bickel and bolland make?
- rinaldo

If bolland goes on LTIR, then yotes will owe him 20% of his remaining salary or $3.3M

Bickell is owed $4.5M in cash.

Yotes get a cap benefit of $5.5M for 3 years to help them reach the floor.

If bolland does not go on LTIR, than bad deal for the yotes.

I'd assume they knew Bolland was under contract during the buyout period... so is this really a salary dump? And they figure they're happy to get a 2nd and 3d while giving up a prospect they don't think is going to be a big deal? So why did AZ do it?
- Queenie_5_hole

Using the Leafs as an example. At the trade deadline the leafs traded Dan Winnik. Who is a nice 3rd/4th liner to have but nothing crazy for Brooks Liach, a 2nd round pick and Connor Carick. Now one of the leafs best d prospects. Just for talking one and 3 quarters of 4 million.

And that's all the panthers can get for taking 3 YEARS at 5.5 MILLION AND they give up a 2nd and 3rd round pick to boot.

"As you can see from the chart, Bolland is barely an upgrade over Antoine Vermette."

"Bolland is - if he gets healthy and is better than last year - potentially a pretty big upgrade over Vermette,"

If bolland goes on LTIR, then yotes will owe him 20% of his remaining salary or $3.3M

Bickell is owed $4.5M in cash.

Yotes get a cap benefit of $5.5M for 3 years to help them reach the floor.

If bolland does not go on LTIR, than bad deal for the yotes.
- Tumbleweed

What? I thought insurance paid all of it.

If bolland goes on LTIR, then yotes will owe him 20% of his remaining salary or $3.3M

Bickell is owed $4.5M in cash.

Yotes get a cap benefit of $5.5M for 3 years to help them reach the floor.

If bolland does not go on LTIR, than bad deal for the yotes.
- Tumbleweed

He showed he could play last year. He just wasn't good enough after his injury.

Hagg and Morin won't get you much. Sanheim would fetch a good return and Provocop should be untouchable.
- Feds91Stammer

why wouldn't morin get you much?

If bolland plays, than I agree with you.

My suspcision is bolland’s career is done; and the salary owed won’t be problematic as it'll be mostly covered by insurance.

As others said, the caphit will benefit the yotes in future years as datsyuk and pronger drop off.
- Tumbleweed

Then why did Florida want to trade him, they should have simply put him on LTIR when the season started. It's certainly not as simple as you're making it out to be.

whatever forward who is in the same boat as haag is all you will get for haag imo. haag is more suspect than prospect.
- rinaldo

i think crouse is in that boat lol

Lefty, the fact this guy's agreeing with you should raise a red flag.
- Nucker101