only if they plan on spending over the cap is when LTIR used. so unless the Yotes spend over 73m this season (which I dont see happening) its just that roughtly 3m in cap space left
- DDM-Coga

Well if they gave Reider $3M or whatever that put them to the limit. They could build Pronger into the opening day roster and put him on LTIR and give them a new limit of $78M. Also I have no idea how the Datsyuk thing will work.

Chayka isn't a coach though. Plus his sister is a bonafide 10.
- tomburton99

you write this



and then you write this literally 2 paragraphs later



do you even read what you write? bolland MIGHT be an upgrade over john scott, and that's about it. he's a terrible player....he's averaging about 30 GP and 10pts per season over the last 4 years.....he's about as useless a player as there is in the NHL.

vermette, by comparison, makes half as much, averages twice as many games and 3 times as many points.

all that aside, this is still an okay deal for the yotes.....but an equally good deal for the panthers.
- sensarmy_11

Yeah I fixed that. I just left out a qualifier is all, if you re-read it , you'll know what I mean. You gotta get these out quickly, sometimes you miss something in the editing process, so I appreciate the help.

Well if they gave Reider $3M or whatever that put them to the limit. They could build Pronger into the opening day roster and put him on LTIR and give them a new limit of $78M. Also I have no idea how the Datsyuk thing will work.
- Feds91Stammer

I believe Datsyuk still counts against the cap no matter what.

47 SPCs due to Crouse, Chychrun, and Merkley being exempt if they go back to Jrs
- Feds91Stammer

Good point. I just counted the contracts.

Why would they buy him out?

They'll be all to happy to watch him sit on the LTIR, with insurance paying his salary, but still using that $5.5M cap hit to make sure they have no issues getting above the salary floor.
- prock

Good chance he gets bought out after this season though. Or they get lucky and he gets "injured" in the Stephen Robidas style.

The Canucks have the worst GM in the league. It's fun to laugh at them.
- Feds91Stammer

If JB made this deal, then I'd have to agree with you.
ps... you're easily amused.

I believe Datsyuk still counts against the cap no matter what.
- Nucker101

I think that is correct but this is another new thing we haven't seen before. All the previous scenarios have been due to injury and not "retirement".

If JB made this deal, then I'd have to agree with you.
ps... you're easily amused.
- we_are_all_canucks

cool

Good chance he gets bought out after this season though. Or they get lucky and he gets "injured" in the Stephen Robidas style.
- James_Tanner

He already knows he will get bought out. The medical clearance to get bought out stopped him. He also knows he won't get another decent contract. He'll be all too happy to stay on Robidas Isle.

Odds are he spends the rest of his career on LTIR, and doesn't try to play again, because if he does, his $5.5M contract gets sliced up when he gets bought out. He'll be paid by insurance for a couple of years and disappear.

Well if they gave Reider $3M or whatever that put them to the limit. They could build Pronger into the opening day roster and put him on LTIR and give them a new limit of $78M. Also I have no idea how the Datsyuk thing will work.
- Feds91Stammer

I’m starting to see it like this: crouse provides more leverage in the reider negotiations.

If reider doesn’t come down in his ask, he’s probably gone.

Bednar to coach Avs eh FatMarsh?

I’m starting to see it like this: crouse provides more leverage in the reider negotiations.

If reider doesn’t come down in his ask, he’s probably gone.
- Tumbleweed

Crouse is a great prospect. I know some aren't enamoured in him, but from what I've seen (in person), the kid has some serious skill.

Only way this is bad is if Bolland attempts to come back and play again.

Otherwise insurance takes care of most of the cost. Plus the 2nd becomes a 3rd if Crouse is sent down to the OHL and doesn't play a game with the Yotes. I thought Crouse was overrated, but I'd happily give up two 3rd round picks for him.
- Nucker101

You can't look at it from the perspective of who's paying Bolland's salary. Florida wanted out of his contract and they essentially paid nothing to do so.

If Crouse was the cost of getting out from under that potentially problematic contract then why is Chayka sending draft picks Florida's way? It ridiculous that he's overpaying, much like Benning, for something he wants.

You called out Benning for overpaying but now you're saying it's ok?

Crouse is a great prospect. I know some aren't enamoured in him, but from what I've seen (in person), the kid has some serious skill.
- prock

He is a meh prospect. Barely stood out at the prospect tournament I went to last year where guys like Vrana, Kamenev, Deangelo, and Fiala looked like top tier prospects.

You can't look at it from the perspective of who's paying Bolland's salary. Florida wanted out of his contract and they essentially paid nothing to do so.

If Crouse was the cost of getting out from under that potentially problematic contract then why is Chayka sending draft picks Florida's way? It ridiculous that he's overpaying, much like Benning, for something he wants.

You called out Benning for overpaying but now you're saying it's ok?
- LeftCoaster

You have no concept of the value of those picks or the value of Bolland's contract to AZ...

Bolland is barely an upgrade over Antoine Vermette

Bolland is - if he gets healthy and is better than last year - potentially a pretty big upgrade over Vermette

[Bolland] is a definite upgrade from what they had in Vermette

You're all over the place James!

I do it because everything needs a soundtrack. This ain't no blog, it's an art project. I don't think the order of the songs is indicative of their rankings though. But Janet Jackson rules, let's never lose sight of that.
- James_Tanner

Are you kidding? HAHA

Hockey trades rarely exist anymore. The Subban/Weber trade was a breath of fresh air. Nowadays it's cap space and bad contracts for blue chip prospects.

You can't look at it from the perspective of who's paying Bolland's salary. Florida wanted out of his contract and they essentially paid nothing to do so.

If Crouse was the cost of getting out from under that potentially problematic contract then why is Chayka sending draft picks Florida's way? It ridiculous that he's overpaying, much like Benning, for something he wants.

You called out Benning for overpaying but now you're saying it's ok?
- LeftCoaster

If bolland plays, than I agree with you.

My suspcision is bolland’s career is done; and the salary owed won’t be problematic as it'll be mostly covered by insurance.

As others said, the caphit will benefit the yotes in future years as datsyuk and pronger drop off.

You can't look at it from the perspective of who's paying Bolland's salary. Florida wanted out of his contract and they essentially paid nothing to do so.

If Crouse was the cost of getting out from under that potentially problematic contract then why is Chayka sending draft picks Florida's way? It ridiculous that he's overpaying, much like Benning, for something he wants.

You called out Benning for overpaying but now you're saying it's ok?
- LeftCoaster

Is he overpaying? Cause you're not generally going to give away your 11th overall pick one year later for a 2nd and a 3rd. It seems that its a fair cost.

Is he overpaying? Cause you're not generally going to give away your 11th overall pick one year later for a 2nd and a 3rd. It seems that its a fair cost.
- James_Tanner

needs more 7th rounders

This is a bad deal by a rookie GM no matter how you look at it. I can understand taking 11th overall pick Lawson Crouse if Florida lost faith in him, Yzerman did the same with 6th overall pick Brett Connolly when he traded him to Boston for two second round picks.

Essentially Chayka got Crouse for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick, BUT, he took on Bolland's salary and got absolutely nothing in return for it….NOTHING

Kid should be fired for being such an idiot.
- LeftCoaster

that's how I see it as well.

Though according to some he got the bets of Holland as well!!!

the only reason Vesey became a thing is because the Leafs were in on it, and Canada's sports media is among the most pathetic entities in the Western world. if Kyle Dubas takes a poop it gets a 3-page spread in the Sunday papers here. if the Leafs weren't interested no one would have known anything about the guy.

You can't look at it from the perspective of who's paying Bolland's salary. Florida wanted out of his contract and they essentially paid nothing to do so.

If Crouse was the cost of getting out from under that potentially problematic contract then why is Chayka sending draft picks Florida's way? It ridiculous that he's overpaying, much like Benning, for something he wants.

You called out Benning for overpaying but now you're saying it's ok?
- LeftCoaster

You're suggesting that Crouse was the price Florida had to pay to get rid of Bolland, but I don't agree. Crouse probably still carries roughly late 1st round value. Bolland's is easier to take on than a guy like Bryan Bickell's for example because you can get rid of his cap hit if you spend to the cap using LTIR. Insurance pays a portion of his actual salary no matter what.

Crouse carries more value than a 2nd/3rd + 3rd. So I'd argue that taking on Bolland's contract roughly makes up for that, especially considering his health status.

I can see why both teams made this deal. If Bolland was healthy, I'd agree that this is a terrible deal and the picks would make it an overpayment since Crouse's stock has dropped since being drafted.

Btw hai!