I still can't figure out what the aversion to "trade for another winger and keep Hamonic" is from so many people. Hall is great and everything, but keeping a strong defense AND getting a good winger would probably (read: definitely) be more beneficial to the team.
- eichiefs9

Exactly teams arent looking to make the isles better and just give us what we need for our scraps. Good d and good winger > great wing weak d. Look no further than the oil to see that all the offense in the world wont make up for no d

I still can't figure out what the aversion to "trade for another winger and keep Hamonic" is from so many people. Hall is great and everything, but keeping a strong defense AND getting a good winger would probably (read: definitely) be more beneficial to the team.
- eichiefs9

I'd love a wing that can add offense and still be responsible playing D. It does not have to be just Hall. I would have moved Hamonic for Hall when Hamonic wanted a trade, but that ship has sailed.

Exactly teams arent looking to make the isles better and just give us what we need for our scraps. Good d and good winger > great wing weak d. Look no further than the oil to see that all the offense in the world wont make up for no d
- Upstate_isles

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I still can't figure out what the aversion to "trade for another winger and keep Hamonic" is from so many people. Hall is great and everything, but keeping a strong defense AND getting a good winger would probably (read: definitely) be more beneficial to the team.
- eichiefs9

Agreed but I think the aversion to it is based on the fact that he hasnt been able to (trade for a suitable winger for Tavares minus Vanek of course who didn't sign as we all know) do it yet since we drafted Tavares sometimes when there were viable players available. Hence the issue with Snow not pulling the trigger on the potential Hall trade. It's easy to say well if he does that great but what if he doesn't?

Then it'll be the "there was no one available" argument. After a while you have to get someone. PAP isn't going to cut it not when we should probably be doing everything in our power to make JT happy. It's real nice that Ledecky is saying Tavares isn't going anywhere but that's not reality. Not yet at least. I see both sides of this argument though I make the trade for Hall in a second. Top four defenseman our easier to come by than a top 5 winger in the entire league.

Agreed but I think the aversion to it is based on the fact that he hasnt been able to (trade for a suitable winger for Tavares minus Vanek of course who didn't sign as we all know) do it yet since we drafted Tavares sometimes when there were viable players available. Hence the issue with Snow not pulling the trigger on the potential Hall trade. It's easy to say well if he does that great but what if he doesn't?

Then it'll be the "there was no one available" argument. After a while you have to get someone. PAP isn't going to cut it not when we should probably be doing everything in our power to make JT happy. It's real nice that Ledecky is saying Tavares isn't going anywhere but that's not reality. Not yet at least. I see both sides of this argument though I make the trade for Hall in a second. Top four defenseman our easier to come by than a top 5 winger in the entire league.
- Cptmjl

Well first off, and I could very well be wrong here, but I don't recall there ever being definitive confirmation that Hall was actually offered for a return of Hamonic alone. Staple, as recent as the other day during his Q&A, said that he wasn't sure if there was any talk of a 1-for-1 trade.



We don't actually know if Chiarelli was asking for additional pieces or not. I think everyone just saw the Larsson move and assumed that we could have had Hall for the same 1-for-1 trade that NJD got him for.

As for everything else, yeah I think I've been pretty clear that I'm not saying Snow has done a bang-up job or doesn't need to address the RW for Tavares, just that I don't agree that a Hamonic-for-Hall trade would have made this team notably better.

Well first off, and I could very well be wrong here, but I don't recall there ever being definitive confirmation that Hall was actually offered for a return of Hamonic alone. Staple, as recent as the other day during his Q&A, said that he wasn't sure if there was any talk of a 1-for-1 trade.



We don't actually know if Chiarelli was asking for additional pieces or not. I think everyone just saw the Larsson move and assumed that we could have had Hall for the same 1-for-1 trade that NJD got him for.

As for everything else, yeah I think I've been pretty clear that I'm not saying Snow has done a bang-up job or doesn't need to address the RW for Tavares, just that I don't agree that a Hamonic-for-Hall trade would have made this team notably better.
- eichiefs9

just asking would u trade Hamonic for Kucherov?

Remember u were the one that wouldnt trade KO for either Patches or Pavelski 2yrs ago....

just asking would u trade Hamonic for Kucherov?

Remember u were the one that wouldnt trade KO for either Patches or Pavelski 2yrs ago....

- Ur Not Me

No.

And no, I wasn't. I have never been a big Okposo fan.

Well first off, and I could very well be wrong here, but I don't recall there ever being definitive confirmation that Hall was actually offered for a return of Hamonic alone. Staple, as recent as the other day during his Q&A, said that he wasn't sure if there was any talk of a 1-for-1 trade.



We don't actually know if Chiarelli was asking for additional pieces or not. I think everyone just saw the Larsson move and assumed that we could have had Hall for the same 1-for-1 trade that NJD got him for.

As for everything else, yeah I think I've been pretty clear that I'm not saying Snow has done a bang-up job or doesn't need to address the RW for Tavares, just that I don't agree that a Hamonic-for-Hall trade would have made this team notably better.
- eichiefs9

It started with Hammer and GS said no wether there were other pieces or not it didn't get that far.
Snow wasn't trading Hammer in a deal for Hall.
That in my opinion was a mistake.

It started with Hammer and GS said no wether there were other pieces or not it didn't get that far.
Snow wasn't trading Hammer in a deal for Hall.
That in my opinion was a mistake.
- nyisles7

Well...you undoubtedly know my opinion by now

I think we should just face it that Snow does not know how to pull the trigger on a big
trade. He lacks giving up any talent to make this team better. He is in the AHL frame of mind and that is fine and dandy but he is not a NHL level GM. The only reason he has stuck around this long is that Wang had no hockey sense at all and wouldnt care what he did as long as it saved him money. Now that we have new owners here I give him a year before they dump him on the side of the road and we will never hear from him again, since there is no NHL team that will ever employ him as a GM

http://www.newsday.com/sp...slanders-notes-1.12223507

Heres the best part from coach cappy..“So there will be some tweaks, but there won’t be many tweaks.”

I think we should just face it that Snow does not know how to pull the trigger on a big
trade. He lacks giving up any talent to make this team better. He is in the AHL frame of mind and that is fine and dandy but he is not a NHL level GM. The only reason he has stuck around this long is that Wang had no hockey sense at all and wouldnt care what he did as long as it saved him money. Now that we have new owners here I give him a year before they dump him on the side of the road and we will never hear from him again, since there is no NHL team that will ever employ him as a GM
- kasperrko

Well sure, if you completely ignore the big trades he's made then yes...he has no idea how to pull the trigger on big trades at all.

Well...you undoubtedly know my opinion by now
- eichiefs9

No should I

Well that was certainly quite the back read. Season can't come soon enough eh?

I think we should just face it that Snow does not know how to pull the trigger on a big
trade. He lacks giving up any talent to make this team better. He is in the AHL frame of mind and that is fine and dandy but he is not a NHL level GM. The only reason he has stuck around this long is that Wang had no hockey sense at all and wouldnt care what he did as long as it saved him money. Now that we have new owners here I give him a year before they dump him on the side of the road and we will never hear from him again, since there is no NHL team that will ever employ him as a GM
- kasperrko

Well first off, and I could very well be wrong here, but I don't recall there ever being definitive confirmation that Hall was actually offered for a return of Hamonic alone. Staple, as recent as the other day during his Q&A, said that he wasn't sure if there was any talk of a 1-for-1 trade.



We don't actually know if Chiarelli was asking for additional pieces or not. I think everyone just saw the Larsson move and assumed that we could have had Hall for the same 1-for-1 trade that NJD got him for.

As for everything else, yeah I think I've been pretty clear that I'm not saying Snow has done a bang-up job or doesn't need to address the RW for Tavares, just that I don't agree that a Hamonic-for-Hall trade would have made this team notably better.
- eichiefs9

Well we're discussing as if that were the proposed trade so saying it may never have been in the first place is irrelevant. Also, I don't think there was much assuming we were going on what Staple said due to him almost always reporting facts when referring to Snow. He went as far as saying there would have been a mutiny if Snow had made the trade. You may be right it may have not made the team notably better but I still do it. Between both pulock and pelech probably contributing and some potential D men available (kulikov comes to mind) that could've absorbed some minutes you take that calculated risk IMO. Again I say that seeing both sides here but his inability to find an adequate winger for JT and his pending FA a year away to me makes it close to a no brainer. If he's accepting PAP as a suitable winger for his franchise center he may be in for a disappointing July next year. We all may be.

Well sure, if you completely ignore the big trades he's made then yes...he has no idea how to pull the trigger on big trades at all.
- eichiefs9

- Upstate_isles

- eichiefs9

Taylor Hall looks like the kid who got his nut sack bit by the tarantula in We're The Millers

Taylor Hall looks like the kid who got his nut sack bit by the tarantula in We're The Millers
- mdw7413

Well sure, if you completely ignore the big trades he's made then yes...he has no idea how to pull the trigger on big trades at all.
- eichiefs9

Just out of curiosity what big trade has he pulled off? I mean BIG trade

Just out of curiosity what big trade has he pulled off? I mean BIG trade
- kasperrko

You'll have to specify what you define as a BIG trade, but I would like to point to the Vanek trade, as well as that one day two years ago in which he made two separate big trades to acquire an entire top-4 pairing, in Leddy and Boychuk.

Taylor Hall looks like the kid who got his nut sack bit by the tarantula in We're The Millers
- mdw7413

- nyisles7

Never noticed that till chiefs posted the devils pick.

You'll have to specify what you define as a BIG trade, but I would like to point to the Vanek trade, as well as that one day two years ago in which he made two separate big trades to acquire an entire top-4 pairing, in Leddy and Boychuk.
- eichiefs9

I will give you Boychuk and Leddy as they fell i n his lap. If it wasnt for Boston and Chicago being over the cap those trades never would have happened.

Vanek is one trade I would give him credit for but he was unable to keep him around.
I guess I am talking about old school when we actually give up assets for NHL talent, and I am not talking about draft picks