Yeah, you're just solidifying my point. On the rare occasion that a talented young player does get traded, it's for an immensely talented player. We have one of those. So let's trade Hamonic for Hall, then maybe we can trade Tavares for a stud defenseman. Problem solved, apparently.
- eichiefs9

Cmonnnn man Youre better than that. You're gonna hit me of all people with the lets trade JT for a stud dman???????? Im outta here on that one.

I guess i have more faith in Pulock replacing Hammer than u do.....
- Ur Not Me

I don't think it's realistic to expect pulock to play 25 minutes a night and be the reliable. Boychuk had a pretty rough year and dehaan gets ripped here a lot. Hamonic is easily one of our top 2 and I do think he's our best d. I probably would make that trade but it definitely weakens our defense and would put a ton of pressure on pulock and pelech/mayfield.

here we go.....say one wrong thing on here, and people come outta the woodworks.
- kindlyrick

I think you mean hibernation, glad the board is alive again. Gotta say i agree with Chiefs on the hall harmonic topic. Teams win on defense and hammer is a top 2 d man on the isles. Id say its leddy hamonic then jb on depth chart. Also pa is a stopgap until the expantion draft is over. You can only project so many guys so whats the point in getting someone just to lose someone else you already have? Pa is the perfect fit for this as he will put up numbers for a year and then after the draft the isles can get that topline winger they need. Id love to see garth make another move but im not to sure it happens especially if it means trading prospects or picks for a guy they wont be able to protect in the draft.

I don't think it's realistic to expect pulock to play 25 minutes a night and be the reliable. Boychuk had a pretty rough year and dehaan gets ripped here a lot. Hamonic is easily one of our top 2 and I do think he's our best d. I probably would make that trade but it definitely weakens our defense and would put a ton of pressure on pulock and pelech/mayfield.
- Isles_since_6

Leddy/Boychuk/Dehaan/Hickey/Pulock/Mayfield/Pelech and maybe a vet FA or possible trade, sorry but that's a good handful of players on D....

Didnt Pitt win the cup w/barely a known D? I'm not sure?

Again, this convo could go in circles but my point is and has been, u dont pass up elite talent to make ur team better.

Plus Trouba can be had also.... So there's options

I think it's a reach to expect that Berube is going to be our starter within the next 2 years anyway. You can find a goalie in free agency if you need one, still a few teams looking to move one this year.
- Isles_since_6

Not sure what his situation is with the KHL but maybe Sorokin will be ready by then

Leddy/Boychuk/Dehaan/Hickey/Pulock/Mayfield/Pelech and maybe a vet FA or possible trade, sorry but that's a good handful of players on D....

Didnt Pitt win the cup w/barely a known D? I'm not sure?

Again, this convo could go in circles but my point is and has been, u dont pass up elite talent to make ur team better.

Plus Trouba can be had also.... So there's options
- Ur Not Me

Pittsburgh has two of the best players in the entire world (one of whom is the best player in the world) on their roster, not to mention a top 10 defenseman and they had a goaltender that played absolutely out of his mind. When the Isles have that kind of talent, then that example will hold some water.

Leddy/Boychuk/Dehaan/Hickey/Pulock/Mayfield/Pelech and maybe a vet FA or possible trade, sorry but that's a good handful of players on D....

Didnt Pitt win the cup w/barely a known D? I'm not sure?

Again, this convo could go in circles but my point is and has been, u dont pass up elite talent to make ur team better.

Plus Trouba can be had also.... So there's options
- Ur Not Me

Yes pittsburg somehow landed 3 elite forwards and had unreal depth up front and has a norris candidate in letang and murray looks like the real deal long term. Even if the isles got hall for hamonic they wouldnt have that type of depth they would be close but jt hall and ? Arent 87 71 and kessel

Pittsburgh has two of the best players in the entire world (one of whom is the best player in the world) on their roster, not to mention a top 10 defenseman and they had a goaltender that played absolutely out of his mind. When the Isles have that kind of talent, then that example will hold some water.
- eichiefs9

Thank u....



Isles need better talent....

Yes pittsburg somehow landed 3 elite forwards and had unreal depth up front and has a norris candidate in letang and murray looks like the real deal long term. Even if the isles got hall for hamonic they wouldnt have that type of depth they would be close but jt hall and ? Arent 87 71 and kessel
- Upstate_isles

Kessel could have been had, most didnt want him, I did especially knowing that some sort of salary being retained, but read my last post of team needed talent

I don't think it's realistic to expect pulock to play 25 minutes a night and be the reliable. Boychuk had a pretty rough year and dehaan gets ripped here a lot. Hamonic is easily one of our top 2 and I do think he's our best d. I probably would make that trade but it definitely weakens our defense and would put a ton of pressure on pulock and pelech/mayfield.
- Isles_since_6

I think the d is going to be solid this year with 44 2, 3, 55 and 14 6 as your pairings. Pulock can be sheltered 5 on 5 and play on the pp and produce points what j find to be the biggest question mark is between the pipes, is halak healthy and happy? Can griess have a repeat performance or was that a one year wonder? Up front i think the forwards can score i dont see strome being as bad and lee was snake bitten the first half but came around at the end. Barzal should make the roster if grabo is still hurt but its a lot to ask of a rookie to put up a oot of points but its bee done before. I think the isles finosh 3rd in division with around 100 points (102 -105)

Not just him but a few others too....

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- Ur Not Me

I was being sarcastic kidding around.

Leddy/Boychuk/Dehaan/Hickey/Pulock/Mayfield/Pelech and maybe a vet FA or possible trade, sorry but that's a good handful of players on D....

Didnt Pitt win the cup w/barely a known D? I'm not sure?

Again, this convo could go in circles but my point is and has been, u dont pass up elite talent to make ur team better.

Plus Trouba can be had also.... So there's options
- Ur Not Me

of the bolded ones, which ones replace hamonics 25 minutes against the other team's top lines? Boychuk can't play 25 minutes a night, so who do you use? the last 3 would all be rookies, can't expect them to immediately handle that.

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of the bolded ones, which ones replace hamonics 25 minutes against the other team's top lines? Boychuk can't play 25 minutes a night, so who do you use? the last 3 would all be rookies, can't expect them to immediately handle that.
- Isles_since_6

Again, either u sign a FA or trade or someone has to step-up.
Ur saying that nothing would happen if Snow lost Hamonic in a trade?

Again, either u sign a FA or trade or someone has to step-up.
Ur saying that nothing would happen if Snow lost Hamonic in a trade?
- Ur Not Me

I think his point is if hammer goes for hall you need a roster player to fill in on d as who are you moving to get trouba or someone?

I think his point is if hammer goes for hall you need a roster player to fill in on d as who are you moving to vwt trouba or someone?
- Upstate_isles

Thanks, i know what he meant... Lets not pretend that there's no options left if that scenario occurred.

Again, either u sign a FA or trade or someone has to step-up.
Ur saying that nothing would happen if Snow lost Hamonic in a trade?
- Ur Not Me

I think if it was my choice (which it never will be) I would have made the deal for Hall, but it does weaken the defense. Plus you’re trading Hamonic’s sub 4 mil cap hit for Hall’s 6 mil hit, plus adding a ufa (demers for example) who’s going to cost between 5 and 6 mil per…that’s 11-12 mil for 4 mil. Math doesn’t work.

If you add a bottom pairing vet on the cheap that doesn’t do anything to replace those minutes. I would likely have done the deal, and I like pulock and pelech a heck of a lot, but it does weaken our defense to move hamonic.

long time. someone fill me in on everything post free agency.

whats the temperature around here?? who do most people want brought in at this point?

Thanks, i know what he meant... Lets not pretend that there's no options left if that scenario occurred.
- Ur Not Me

but there's also not a lot of point to rehashing it and moaning about it all summer either.

but there's also not a lot of point to rehashing it and moaning about it all summer either.
- Isles_since_6

If we see a move it will be at camp when someone is over the cap and needs relief otherwise the roster maybe complete

If we see a move it will be at camp when someone is over the cap and needs relief otherwise the roster maybe complete
- Upstate_isles

I believe it'll happen around then as well if it does and there will likely be some movement after the World Cup due to injuries (someone's gonna get hurt, just hopefully none of our players)

Thanks, i know what he meant... Lets not pretend that there's no options left if that scenario occurred.
- Ur Not Me

Right but who are they moving out to get a suitable replacement? Bailey and kuhlamin arent getting it done sonit would have to be a d prospect pulock or pelech and a guy like del colle or barzal

I think if it was my choice (which it never will be) I would have made the deal for Hall, but it does weaken the defense. Plus you’re trading Hamonic’s sub 4 mil cap hit for Hall’s 6 mil hit, plus adding a ufa (demers for example) who’s going to cost between 5 and 6 mil per…that’s 11-12 mil for 4 mil. Math doesn’t work.

If you add a bottom pairing vet on the cheap that doesn’t do anything to replace those minutes. I would likely have done the deal, and I like pulock and pelech a heck of a lot, but it does weaken our defense to move hamonic.
- Isles_since_6

I get the math/salary cap equation but that's why the team has a Gm to figure out those things.

Right but who are they moving out to get a suitable replacement? Bailey and kuhlamin arent getting it done sonit would have to be a d prospect pulock or pelech and a guy like del colle or barzal
- Upstate_isles

I still can't figure out what the aversion to "trade for another winger and keep Hamonic" is from so many people. Hall is great and everything, but keeping a strong defense AND getting a good winger would probably (read: definitely) be more beneficial to the team.

I get the math/salary cap equation but that's why the team has a Gm to figure out those things.
- Ur Not Me

Maybe he did figure out those things and this was the result. Did you ever consider that?