- eichiefs9

Sweeney should be on there.

I will give you Boychuk and Leddy as they fell i n his lap. If it wasnt for Boston and Chicago being over the cap those trades never would have happened.

Vanek is one trade I would give him credit for but he was unable to keep him around.
I guess I am talking about old school when we actually give up assets for NHL talent, and I am not talking about draft picks
- kasperrko

Only GM stupid enough to trade for a player who was going to sign with Mn.
I classify that as a BIG trade but its a BIG PHUCKING STUPID trade !

Sweeney should be on there.
- mdw7413

OMG I just noticed the Milbury line !!!!

I will give you Boychuk and Leddy as they fell i n his lap. If it wasnt for Boston and Chicago being over the cap those trades never would have happened.

Vanek is one trade I would give him credit for but he was unable to keep him around.
I guess I am talking about old school when we actually give up assets for NHL talent, and I am not talking about draft picks
- kasperrko

Oh, well if it wasn't for (list of all possible reasons) then (NHL team) would have never traded (NHL player/prospect/draft pick)

Those "old days" trades don't happen anymore because there is a salary cap and you can't just swap players like a Chinese fire drill. Young players and prospects have significantly more value because they remain cheap and under team control for longer periods of time.

Oh, well if it wasn't for (list of all possible reasons) then (NHL team) would have never traded (NHL player/prospect/draft pick)

Those "old days" trades don't happen anymore because there is a salary cap and you can't just swap players like a Chinese fire drill. Young players and prospects have significantly more value because they remain cheap and under team control for longer periods of time.
- eichiefs9

Well he traded picks not prospects. I can remember the last time he traded a top prospect for anything.

What I am saying is the time to win is now when these guys are in their prime. It does not last forever and eventually you have to take that leap of faith and pull the trigger on something that will shock the fan base. In order to do this you will have to give up something in value. That is why I was fine with Hamonic for Hall. That would have shaken things up. See here it is if you play bad you get rewarded. There is no fear here at all. Sometimes to get the best results is to do a trade that shakes the team

Well he traded picks not prospects. I can remember the last time he traded a top prospect for anything.

What I am saying is the time to win is now when these guys are in their prime. It does not last forever and eventually you have to take that leap of faith and pull the trigger on something that will shock the fan base. In order to do this you will have to give up something in value. That is why I was fine with Hamonic for Hall. That would have shaken things up. See here it is if you play bad you get rewarded. There is no fear here at all. Sometimes to get the best results is to do a trade that shakes the team
- kasperrko

Ville pokka was a top prospect he was a finalist in Swedens top league for best d man at 18 and was part of leddy deal. I would consider him a top prospect

I will give you Boychuk and Leddy as they fell i n his lap. If it wasnt for Boston and Chicago being over the cap those trades never would have happened.

Vanek is one trade I would give him credit for but he was unable to keep him around.
I guess I am talking about old school when we actually give up assets for NHL talent, and I am not talking about draft picks
- kasperrko

28 other teams missed on boychuk and leddy. Vanek's wife wanted to go home to Minny, and frankly not having him sign with us was one of the best things that could have happened.

you can't take credit away from him with an argument like the one you're using for leddy and boychuk. You don't remember the other teams being pissed off that they didn't even know boychuk was available?

come on man.

Ville pokka was a top prospect he was a finalist in Swedens top league for best d man at 18 and was part of leddy deal. I would consider him a top prospect
- Upstate_isles

he was probably considered our 2nd best d prospect behind pulock when he was traded, I'd agree.

Well he traded picks not prospects. I can remember the last time he traded a top prospect for anything.

What I am saying is the time to win is now when these guys are in their prime. It does not last forever and eventually you have to take that leap of faith and pull the trigger on something that will shock the fan base. In order to do this you will have to give up something in value. That is why I was fine with Hamonic for Hall. That would have shaken things up. See here it is if you play bad you get rewarded. There is no fear here at all. Sometimes to get the best results is to do a trade that shakes the team
- kasperrko

okposo, nielsen and martin gone. That should be a decent shake up, no?

28 other teams missed on boychuk and leddy. Vanek's wife wanted to go home to Minny, and frankly not having him sign with us was one of the best things that could have happened.

you can't take credit away from him with an argument like the one you're using for leddy and boychuk. You don't remember the other teams being pissed off that they didn't even know boychuk was available?

come on man.
- Isles_since_6

Not to get involved with this argument or debate whatever it is but I don't remember the other teams saying he wasn't even available. I remember some yahoo's on hockeybuzz saying it that's about it.

Also, not so sure saying 28 other teams missed on Leddy and boychuk is accurate. There definitely weren't 28 other teams interested in them. Leddy turned out great but was far from a sure thing his game was beyond questioned. Shat all of us on here were Luke warm about acquiring him at first.

he was probably considered our 2nd best d prospect behind pulock when he was traded, I'd agree.
- Isles_since_6

Have to give Snow Kudo's for JB and NL.
The Hawks and bruins were Cap plucked and Garf took advantage of the situation.
Credit needs to be given there. Those trades solidified our D instantly.

Not to get involved with this argument or debate whatever it is but I don't remember the other teams saying he wasn't even available. I remember some yahoo's on hockeybuzz saying it that's about it.

Also, not so sure saying 28 other teams missed on Leddy and boychuk is accurate. There definitely wasn't 28 other teams interested in them.
- Cptmjl

True Cpt., Islanders were 1 of a handful of teams that had the cap space to sign them as both were on the last year of their current deals.
That said Garf still needs to be credited for the deals.

Not to get involved with this argument or debate whatever it is but I don't remember the other teams saying he wasn't even available. I remember some yahoo's on hockeybuzz saying it that's about it.

Also, not so sure saying 28 other teams missed on Leddy and boychuk is accurate. There definitely weren't 28 other teams interested in them. Leddy turned out great but was far from a sure thing his game was beyond questioned. Shat all of us on here were Luke warm about acquiring him at first.
- Cptmjl

I wasn't high on leddy when we made the trade, but I LOVED adding boychuk. I was wrong about leddy.

True Cpt., Islanders were 1 of a handful of teams that had the cap space to sign them as both were on the last year of their current deals.
- nyisles7

Yep and some of the teams that had the space I'm sure weren't interested due to their current situations minus the Oilers of course but using them as an example of Snow's incredible gm'ing skills is laughable. That was a perfect storm kind of situation with everything being in line for it to happen. Snow deserves credit of course but it was an extremely situational kind of thing. I just read an article on THN or TSN saying exactly that and I agree with it. The guy deserves credit without a doubt but some on here need to pull back the reigns with the blowing smoke up the guys arse it wasn't exactly highway robbery.

Have to give Snow Kudo's for JB and NL.
The Hawks and bruins were Cap plucked and Garf took advantage of the situation.
Credit needs to be given there. Those trades solidified our D instantly.
- nyisles7

definitely - I'm not excusing him of the mistakes (strait's extension, bailey's extension, vanek trade, etc) but on leddy and boychuk he hit a home run.

I wasn't high on leddy when we made the trade, but I LOVED adding boychuk. I was wrong about leddy.
- Isles_since_6

So was I. I wasn't pissed about getting Leddy just more indifferent while thinking maybe he'd work out. I was all about boychuk. Funny how that turned out. Leddy is incredible.

okposo, nielsen and martin gone. That should be a decent shake up, no?
- Isles_since_6

That they made them walk? No that is not a shake up. LEts face GArth knew he was not signing these guys and he made them walk for nothing last year. I understand the chemistry thing but lets face Okposo did not do much in the playoffs.

definitely - I'm not excusing him of the mistakes (strait's extension, bailey's extension, vanek trade, etc) but on leddy and boychuk he hit a home run.
- Isles_since_6

All I am saying that if those teams were not in the cap difficulty they had we would have never got these players. Could have GArth traded for them regardless? YEs he could've. Would he though never in a million years

So was I. I wasn't pissed about getting Leddy just more indifferent while thinking maybe he'd work out. I was all about boychuk. Funny how that turned out. Leddy is incredible.
- Cptmjl

Agreed
Incredible skater and great puck transporter. Huge asset in todays NHL

That they made them walk? No that is not a shake up. LEts face GArth knew he was not signing these guys and he made them walk for nothing last year. I understand the chemistry thing but lets face Okposo did not do much in the playoffs.
- kasperrko

Wtf? They’re not on the team this year, what more do you want? Executions?

All I am saying that if those teams were not in the cap difficulty they had we would have never got these players. Could have GArth traded for them regardless? YEs he could've. Would he though never in a million years
- kasperrko

Dude…I enjoy most of your posts but this is a stupid line of reasoning.

I'll clarify this:

saying he wouldn't have traded for them when he did trade for them is enough to make me wonder what you're smoking.

No matter what anyone thinks about this or that if we go into the season with PAP on JT's wing Snow should be shat canned on the spot. Sorry that's a (frank)ing joke

Some on here will eek the positive out of that somehow and I'll continue to laugh at their posts

Wtf? They’re not on the team this year, what more do you want? Executions?
- Isles_since_6

Now that'd be a real shake up. After watching okposo in the playoffs I'm on board with this. Power forward my arse

Dude…I enjoy most of your posts but this is a stupid line of reasoning.
- Isles_since_6

Now that'd be a real shake up. After watching okposo in the playoffs I'm on board with this. Power forward my arse
- Cptmjl

brian strait wouldn't have lasted as long as he did, and it would have been more satisfying when he was gone.