No comment on Svedberg because I think he needs more work.
TVR would be very easy to trade, issue is top six left wings may not be a feasible return.
- Al

So you don't see TVR and Svedberg for Leo Komarov as doable???

I was thinking more along the lines of Armia.

I'd prefer Ehlers, but I would take Armia
- DarthKane

Was that you Darth who was saying Maroon wouldn't be a bad addition? Oil would want a dman in return probably. Not a bad proposal.

You are singing to the choir on this one...
Not saying TVR can't be dealt but he is better than many think.

He was thrown into the fire without any AHL seasoning and has for the most part handled the load. I think he would play as #4 on quite a few teams and right now is better than Kempney or others until proven otherwise.

My tune could change by Thanksgiving but for now I would be more comfortable with TVR than Kempney or some of the youngsters.
- Al

TVR is a much better player as a 5-6 than most give him credit for and he will play both sides if Q asks him to. And $825K for 2 years is bargain basement value for an NHL Dman which they need to offset some of the big salaries.

If and when Pokka, Gustafsson and Kepny prove to be better then they can look at moving him in return if something reasonably good up front is made available to them.

Stan has NEVER been "dealing from a position of strength" his entire tenure. Long playoff runs, winning cups, paying mega millions to the "core" and stagnet cap have insured that...
- bogiedoc

As well as TIMING of his trades, ie, waiting till the 11th hour to get something done.

Sharp's next contract will depend largely on how this season goes. This topic started when I said Sharp could get $3 - $5 million. That's a big margin, but you're right in a team that signs him for closer to $5 million would not be a contender. But it all comes down to Sharp's priorities, money or another Cup. There's nothing wrong with Sharpie wanting more money, he's earned that right.
- DarthKane

What made Sharp a $4-$5 million player was the fact he could score and also was pound for pound one of the best forwards along the wall. Those days are in the past as he is older and the shoulders have taken a beating.

But who knows what he will make ...as long as there is an Az around anything can happen. They just swallowed 3 years of Dave Bolland for $5.5 per.

So you don't see TVR and Svedberg for Leo Komarov as doable???
- walleyeb1

I don't. Leafs don't have much and were reportedly asking for a 1st rd pick at the deadline last year for Uncle Leo.

I think he'd be an amazing addition but is more valuable than some think.

TVR and Svedberg are not getting you Komarov IMO. Maybe TVR and Hartman for Leo and lower end prospect.

TVR, Crawford Sved, etc - not going to bring back enough assets to fix the team. Lets be real the best move is a kings random for Toews. Having 2 10.5M deals is crippling. No young guns to truly fortify the bottom. EDM pulled a blockbuster back in the day - why can't the BH?

Let the bashing begin.

TVR is a much better player as a 5-6 than most give him credit for and he will play both sides if Q asks him to. And $825K for 2 years is bargain basement value for an NHL Dman which they need to offset some of the big salaries.

If and when Pokka, Gustafsson and Kepny prove to be better then they can look at moving him in return if something reasonably good up front is made available to them.
- RickJ

I'd rather ensure the D is rock solid, and roll dice that they find an adequate LW than the other way around. Not saying TVR is untouchable by any means, but I'd rather not deplete the depth on the blue line.

Let's see what the kids can do.

TVR, Crawford Sved, etc - not going to bring back enough assets to fix the team. Lets be real the best move is a kings random for Toews. Having 2 10.5M deals is crippling. No young guns to truly fortify the bottom. EDM pulled a blockbuster back in the day - why can't the BH?

Let the bashing begin.
- riozzo

Trade the number one C to get a number 1 LW.

I like it.

I understand that there are VERY slim pickings, but the whole Tanguay thing doesn't make sense to me. He is done, especially based on his play the past couple of seasons. A veteran yes, but not worth it. Higgins... Meh
- 93Joe

Agreed. Higgins has been done for a while. Good guy in the room but enough of the re-treads. Got to move forward with some of the youth, even in their part time auditions.

I'd rather ensure the D is rock solid, and roll dice that they find an adequate LW than the other way around. Not saying TVR is untouchable by any means, but I'd rather not deplete the depth on the blue line.

Let's see what the kids can do.
- Ogilthorpe2

I'm with you on this. We all knew the day was coming that we were going to get hosed by this stagnant cap. Let's hang on to what money we have left and if the opportunity presents itself, make a wise move. In the mean time, put the kids in there were they can best succeed and cross your fingers.

So you don't see TVR and Svedberg for Leo Komarov as doable???
- walleyeb1

Doesn't make me all giddy...

Doesn't make me all giddy...
- Al

But he speaks 7 languages Al.

But he speaks 7 languages Al.
- TTtime

Now I'm impressed...

Doesn't make me all giddy...
- Al

Maybe someone has said this already-- but at one time many of the players that we are upset about losing were just those same hopeful prospects-- potential that was unrealized-- all of them really with the exception of 19-88 -- maybe 2-7-- but back then they had time to develop with little to no expectations--

Those same expectations (after winning 3 Cups) are what have so many people throwing out absurd and illogical ideas here--

All I expect is for the Hawks management to explore every option to field the best team possible-- and at some point you have to let the horses run--

Maybe that's just what this team needs--- let em compete and bring some fresh blood into the system-- and damn the NHL and Bettman's foolish cap / parity game-- its ruining the NHL--

Danault would have resigned for cheaper. The problem is they think Kruger is a much better player, and he is.
- RickJ

Danault drove possession at a very high rate and was LOCKED IN at 3C during the Hawks' best stretch of hockey in 15/16. I can't believe how much hype Kruger is getting on this board. Career high less than 30 points and got under the skin of serial losers Perry+Getzlaf in one series. How quickly we forget what Bolland and Madden did for half the price....Kruger is a 4C and should be making $1.5 mil. Kruger at 2C is the recipe for a lottery pick in Chicago next summer. Shaw > Kruger. Danault is also > Kruger bc he is 1/3 the price. Until he proves otherwise, Marcus is a glorified 4C, no matter how much JJ loves him.

What made Sharp a $4-$5 million player was the fact he could score and also was pound for pound one of the best forwards along the wall. Those days are in the past as he is older and the shoulders have taken a beating.

But who knows what he will make ...as long as there is an Az around anything can happen. They just swallowed 3 years of Dave Bolland for $5.5 per.
- Al

I have a huge problem with that trade. The league owned AZ team is a dump for important franchises the NHL wants to succeed. Panthers a young up and coming team got huge cap relief by dumping Bolland in the waste land. It's a complete farce. Those kind of trades should not be occurring with AZ. No other major sports league would allow or condone such things let alone actively participate in.

Danault drove possession at a very high rate and was LOCKED IN at 3C during the Hawks' best stretch of hockey in 15/16. I can't believe how much hype Kruger is getting on this board. Career high less than 30 points and got under the skin of serial losers Perry+Getzlaf in one series. How quickly we forget what Bolland and Madden did for half the price....Kruger is a 4C and should be making $1.5 mil. Kruger at 2C is the recipe for a lottery pick in Chicago next summer. Shaw > Kruger. Danault is also > Kruger bc he is 1/3 the price. Until he proves otherwise, Marcus is a glorified 4C, no matter how much JJ loves him.
- EnzoD

What about at 1LW?

I have a huge problem with that trade. The league owned AZ team is a dump for important franchises the NHL wants to succeed. Panthers a young up and coming team got huge cap relief by dumping Bolland in the waste land. It's a complete farce. Those kind of trades should not be occurring with AZ. No other major sports league would allow or condone such things let alone actively participate in.
- bhawks2241

Meh. The league doesn't own the Yotes anymore. Bolland isn't going to play anyway and him going on LTIR was an option to both teams involved in the trade. Think that the trade had more to do with the Panthers wanting the 2 extra contract slots.

FWIW, the Yotes now will have to pay 20% of Bolland's salary once he goes on LTIR for 3 more seasons. OR the rest of the league will pay a share due to revenue sharing.

Think positive though. The Hawks should be able to dump a decrepit Hossa, Seabrook, etc on them should the need arise in the future.

Maybe someone has said this already-- but at one time many of the players that we are upset about losing were just those same hopeful prospects-- potential that was unrealized-- all of them really with the exception of 19-88 -- maybe 2-7-- but back then they had time to develop with little to no expectations--

Those same expectations (after winning 3 Cups) are what have so many people throwing out absurd and illogical ideas here--

All I expect is for the Hawks management to explore every option to field the best team possible-- and at some point you have to let the horses run--

Maybe that's just what this team needs--- let em compete and bring some fresh blood into the system-- and damn the NHL and Bettman's foolish cap / parity game-- its ruining the NHL--
- jb3333

All they really need to do is play above their pay grade and that should be enough to put the Hawks in the mix.

Was that you Darth who was saying Maroon wouldn't be a bad addition? Oil would want a dman in return probably. Not a bad proposal.
- 93Joe

Yes that was me and I still believe Maroon would be a good fit in Chicago.

Danault drove possession at a very high rate and was LOCKED IN at 3C during the Hawks' best stretch of hockey in 15/16. I can't believe how much hype Kruger is getting on this board. Career high less than 30 points and got under the skin of serial losers Perry+Getzlaf in one series. How quickly we forget what Bolland and Madden did for half the price....Kruger is a 4C and should be making $1.5 mil. Kruger at 2C is the recipe for a lottery pick in Chicago next summer. Shaw > Kruger. Danault is also > Kruger bc he is 1/3 the price. Until he proves otherwise, Marcus is a glorified 4C, no matter how much JJ loves him.
- EnzoD

Not sure i agree on Danault, but I'm with you on Kruger being overrated by many fans here.

Kruger at 2C is one of the worst ideas I've seen thrown around in quite some time. It makes ZERO sense. He's not a top 6 player. And why on earth after losing TT and Shaw would we take AA out of the center position as well, and move him to LW? Just to put the offensively inept Kruger(who should be commanding a shutdown bottom 6 role) at 2C on a scoring line with Kane and Panarin?

Remains to be seen if Schmaltz has anything like Bolland's tenacity, and he probably has a bit more skill, though Bolland could make plays offensively.
- John Jaeckel

From what I´ve seen Schmaltz play he is probably more skilled with the puck and better skater but nowhere as gritty as Bolland was/is.

Yes that was me and I still believe Maroon would be a good fit in Chicago.
- DarthKane

I agree also. He was playing with McDavid a bit in Edmonton and looked like he fit right in. Maybe they will be more inclined to a trade since they have Lucic? They got some size over there now.

TVR is a much better player as a 5-6 than most give him credit for and he will play both sides if Q asks him to. And $825K for 2 years is bargain basement value for an NHL Dman which they need to offset some of the big salaries.

If and when Pokka, Gustafsson and Kepny prove to be better then they can look at moving him in return if something reasonably good up front is made available to them.
- RickJ

I remember just about 15 months ago, when everyone was so excited to have TVR back in the lineup in the finals against the Bolts.

I've never understood any negatives on him. An actual college FA they were able to sign, played right away, Q trusts him and he costs 800K.

Everyone gets caught up in the fact that he had to play #4 instead of #5. I believe that's a little overanalyzing. As mentioned previous, he'd be a #4 on a lot of NHL teams, here he's now playing #5 or #6.

I wouldn't be trading any of the top 7 Dmen, whomever you deem them to be. You are going to need all the D you can get this upcoming year.

Nothing wrong with winning games 2-1 and 3-2. Also those extra points in OT. Hawks might not have 6 solid top wingers, but they have enough to play the 3-3 OT. Lots of points last year from that.

Playoffs come around, you'll be very happy with the D and goal situation.