As much as I would like that I don't see it happening. Sharp will still be able to command $3 - $5 million per season on a 3 year deal.

Maybe Sharpie takes a $1.5 - $2.0 million deal with Chicago, but he would be leaving a lot of money on the table. It was different for Richards because of his buyout and Campbell just came off a $57 million and his wife is from the area.
- DarthKane

$5 mil? He is making $5.5 mil now and his contract was apparently almost untradeable to the point we had to throw in our best D prospect. He will be 35. I don't see him commanding that much. $3-3.5 mil would be my guess. I'd

He has as many miles on him as the rest of our core. Actually one extra playoff found

I'd love to see him here again on a discount 2 year deal. He could play along with Hossa on the 3rd line come next season centered by Kruger.... One can dream

Although he wasn't on the 2010 Canadian Olympic team was he?

$5 mil? He is making $5.5 mil now and his contract was apparently almost untradeable to the point we had to throw in our best D prospect. He will be 35. I don't see him commanding that much. $3-3.5 mil would be my guess. I'd

He has as many miles on him as the rest of our core. Actually one extra playoff found

I'd love to see him here again on a discount 2 year deal. He could play along with Hossa on the 3rd line come next season centered by Kruger.... One can dream

Although he wasn't on the 2010 Canadian Olympic team was he?
- bhawks2241

I didn't say it would be a smart idea to sign him to that about, but GMs aren't always smart with their team's money. Teams like Edmonton or Buffalo would value the leadership and professionalism Sharp brings. But it would come down to whatever Sharp wanted, money or another championship.

I didn't say it would be a smart idea to sign him to that about, but GMs aren't always smart with their team's money. Teams like Edmonton or Buffalo would value the leadership and professionalism Sharp brings. But it would come down to whatever Sharp wanted, money or another championship.
- DarthKane

Idk. I completely understand what you are saying but Teams did not value his leadership and professionalism for the 5.5 mil when we moved him last summer and that was a two years younger Sharp. I don't see him getting 5 mil.

If he does get 5 mil next offseason then Bowman really really really franked that trade. If Sharp gets anything north of $4 mil on his next contract that would to me indicate Bowman absolutely failed to properly move him in '15.

A shorter stick is supposed to make it easier to stick handle. But I really think it is what each player just prefers to use.

Not that I am a good player at all (I'm actually quite horrible), but I always just left the stick they way it would come, basic retail length (roughly 63" depending on company model etc). I am not very tall and I had a teammate tell me I should cut the stick to the tip of my nose while in my shoes, or chin in my skates. I did this, and I felt like it was way worse as before because it effected the lie of my stick. It felt like I was loosing every buck under my blade, when stick handling or receiving a pass. I just went back to the way it way and it just felt great.

I know Hossa uses a really long stick, and he is a master, not just offensively, but also removing other players from the puck with his stick.
- spudrock512

Thanks for the insight. I had a teammate tell me something similar as I played with a longer stick during my first few years. A shorter stick had the opposite impact on me: I had better puck control. So that does illustrate your point of stick dimensions just being a personal choice and preference.

One advantage of a longer stick is the ability to do what Q loves: stick checking. With a longer stick, you can poke check more easily without needing a long wing span.

Idk. I completely understand what you are saying but Teams did not value his leadership and professionalism for the 5.5 mil when we moved him last summer and that was a two years younger Sharp. I don't see him getting 5 mil.

If he does get 5 mil next offseason then Bowman really really really franked that trade. If Sharp gets anything north of $4 mil on his next contract that would to me indicate Bowman absolutely failed to properly move him in '15.
- bhawks2241

There's a big difference between trade value and free agency value. As a free agent he only costs $, not $+assets. Also, Stan (through his own doing or otherwise) was not exactly dealing from a position of strength when that deal was made, which obviously affected the available return.

What do you think the odds are that Sharpie comes back in 2017 on a friendly "end my career here" deal?
- ItHossaGood

That'd be great. He will still possibly net 20-25 goals.

Think about it, Kempny is likely a fixture at LD on the 3rd pair, so then if TVR were dealt, your options are really Rozy and/or Pokka or Gustafsson at RD. Bear in mind, they did not sign Rozy to never play.

Conversely, all that considered, you have to wonder how many calls they're getting on TVR and Svedberg right now.
- John Jaeckel

No comment on Svedberg because I think he needs more work.
TVR would be very easy to trade, issue is top six left wings may not be a feasible return.

Idk. I completely understand what you are saying but Teams did not value his leadership and professionalism for the 5.5 mil when we moved him last summer and that was a two years younger Sharp. I don't see him getting 5 mil.

If he does get 5 mil next offseason then Bowman really really really franked that trade. If Sharp gets anything north of $4 mil on his next contract that would to me indicate Bowman absolutely failed to properly move him in '15.
- bhawks2241

The other GMs were just looking to take advantage of the Blackhawks cap situation. Stan for forced to trade Sharp and the other GMs want to maximize the additional return they could get in the deal. Why trade for just Sharp when you can get Sharp and Johns for the same price?

No comment on Svedberg because I think he needs more work.
TVR would be very easy to trade, issue is top six left wings may not be a feasible return.
- Al

Part of the risk in trading TvR now is that we really don't know what type of player Kempny will be. There are positive signs (age, professional experience) but there's no guarantee that his previous success will translate into NHL success.

There's an opinion in this board (which I'm not saying is right or wrong) that we shouldn't believe the front office hype about the college and AHL prospects. Wouldn't the same apply to Kempny? He is essentially a prospect, granted he is a bit older and has some pro experience which would make him more like a Rasmussen or Lundberg type of prospect.

There's a big difference between trade value and free agency value. As a free agent he only costs $, not $+assets. Also, Stan (through his own doing or otherwise) was not exactly dealing from a position of strength when that deal was made, which obviously affected the available return.
- Ogilthorpe2

I agree. But he did not cost Dallas assets. Moving him cost us assets (Johns) and we had to take back salary too. If Sharp had value to teams at $5.5 mil someone would have offered something for him. I don't buy the rest of the league was colluding against the Hawks. If a team thought he would help them at $5.5 mil they would have given up an asset or two.

He did not have value to teams at $5.5 mil given what teams saw as an aging winger on the slow decline and/or Stan backed himself into a corner with too high a price.

That is why I don't think he gets anything in the ballpark of $5mil when he is a FA. It just does not make sense.

I think for a trade asset in TVR, the Hawks need to be looking for basically the same type of player back, just in a forward position. A young player, that is starting to come into his own, has some potential to possibly put it together and continue to improve, but doesn't quite have the experience/time to have it all put together yet, but has been a serviceable player.

I don't know who this player is - maybe someone like Devante Smith-Pelly, a Teemu Pulkkinen, or dare I say...TOM WILSON!!!

I agree. But he did not cost Dallas assets. Moving him cost us assets (Johns) and we had to take back salary too. If Sharp had value to teams at $5.5 mil someone would have offered something for him. I don't buy the rest of the league was colluding against the Hawks. If a team thought he would help them at $5.5 mil they would have given up an asset or two.

He did not have value to teams at $5.5 mil given what teams saw as an aging winger on the slow decline and/or Stan backed himself into a corner with too high a price.

That is why I don't think he gets anything in the ballpark of $5mil when he is a FA. It just does not make sense.
- bhawks2241

From a Blackhawks perspective it doesn't matter if Sharp wants $3 million or $5 million, without a massive movement in the cap ceiling he's too expensive.

No comment on Svedberg because I think he needs more work.
TVR would be very easy to trade, issue is top six left wings may not be a feasible return.
- Al

TvR will not bring back an established Top 6 forward. Chicago can't afford (cap-wise) an established Top 6 forward. Stan would have to take a change on a young guy and hopes he turns into some thing more (like the Sharp and Versteeg type of deals).

If TvR is dealt I would look to the Jets as a logical trading partner.

Part of the risk in trading TvR now is that we really don't know what type of player Kempny will be. There are positive signs (age, professional experience) but there's no guarantee that his previous success will translate into NHL success.

There's an opinion in this board (which I'm not saying is right or wrong) that we shouldn't believe the front office hype about the college and AHL prospects. Wouldn't the same apply to Kempny? He is essentially a prospect, granted he is a bit older and has some pro experience which would make him more like a Rasmussen or Lundberg type of prospect.
- DarthKane

You are singing to the choir on this one...
Not saying TVR can't be dealt but he is better than many think.

He was thrown into the fire without any AHL seasoning and has for the most part handled the load. I think he would play as #4 on quite a few teams and right now is better than Kempney or others until proven otherwise.

My tune could change by Thanksgiving but for now I would be more comfortable with TVR than Kempney or some of the youngsters.

TvR will not bring back an established Top 6 forward. Chicago can't afford (cap-wise) an established Top 6 forward. Stan would have to take a change on a young guy and hopes he turns into some thing more (like the Sharp and Versteeg type of deals).

If TvR is dealt I would look to the Jets as a logical trading partner.
- DarthKane

The only guy who could get them a 2nd line winger with only a little sweetener is Kruger.

How about TVR and Svedberg for Leo Komarov.
- walleyeb1

That wouldn't be bad, if they ate half his salary

I agree. But he did not cost Dallas assets. Moving him cost us assets (Johns) and we had to take back salary too. If Sharp had value to teams at $5.5 mil someone would have offered something for him. I don't buy the rest of the league was colluding against the Hawks. If a team thought he would help them at $5.5 mil they would have given up an asset or two.

He did not have value to teams at $5.5 mil given what teams saw as an aging winger on the slow decline and/or Stan backed himself into a corner with too high a price.

That is why I don't think he gets anything in the ballpark of $5mil when he is a FA. It just does not make sense.
- bhawks2241

He won't get over $5 mill unless he signs with Az or another wasteland franchise for bad contracts. His value by many was overestimated last summer-As I said many times back then, Nill was in complete control of the trade and that's why he got the Hawks best prospect at the time as well.

There's a big difference between trade value and free agency value. As a free agent he only costs $, not $+assets. Also, Stan (through his own doing or otherwise) was not exactly dealing from a position of strength when that deal was made, which obviously affected the available return.
- Ogilthorpe2

Stan has NEVER been "dealing from a position of strength" his entire tenure. Long playoff runs, winning cups, paying mega millions to the "core" and stagnet cap have insured that...

You are singing to the choir on this one...
Not saying TVR can't be dealt but he is better than many think.

He was thrown into the fire without any AHL seasoning and has for the most part handled the load. I think he would play as #4 on quite a few teams and right now is better than Kempney or others until proven otherwise.

My tune could change by Thanksgiving but for now I would be more comfortable with TVR than Kempney or some of the youngsters.
- Al

I agree, there's no rush, let's see what we got 20 games in, before we trade TVR, sure Rozy will play but only part time

He won't get over $5 mill unless he signs with Az or another wasteland franchise for bad contracts. His value by many was overestimated last summer-As I said many times back then, Nill was in complete control of the trade and that's why he got the Hawks best prospect at the time as well.
- Al

Sharp's next contract will depend largely on how this season goes. This topic started when I said Sharp could get $3 - $5 million. That's a big margin, but you're right in a team that signs him for closer to $5 million would not be a contender. But it all comes down to Sharp's priorities, money or another Cup. There's nothing wrong with Sharpie wanting more money, he's earned that right.

Higgins would be a good choice too, if he's healthy. Solid bottom 6 LW and could play on the PK.
- DarthKane

another guy who is done like Tanguay. Rather see them play a couple of the kids than those 2.


just because they are veterans doesn't mean they are better.

I think for a trade asset in TVR, the Hawks need to be looking for basically the same type of player back, just in a forward position. A young player, that is starting to come into his own, has some potential to possibly put it together and continue to improve, but doesn't quite have the experience/time to have it all put together yet, but has been a serviceable player.

I don't know who this player is - maybe someone like Devante Smith-Pelly, a Teemu Pulkkinen, or dare I say...TOM WILSON!!!
- spudrock512

Wilson is nothing but a 4th line banger with poor possession numbers.

As for the other two. DSP washed out in Montreal when he had a prime opportunity to grab ice time because he was out of shape. Q won't like him.

The other one can't crack that vaunted Red Wing line-up.

Rather have TVR than any of those 3. And nothing shows either are better options than what is currently on the roster.

TvR will not bring back an established Top 6 forward. Chicago can't afford (cap-wise) an established Top 6 forward. Stan would have to take a change on a young guy and hopes he turns into some thing more (like the Sharp and Versteeg type of deals).

If TvR is dealt I would look to the Jets as a logical trading partner.
- DarthKane

for Dano?

for Dano?
- TTtime

I was thinking more along the lines of Armia.

I'd prefer Ehlers, but I would take Armia

another guy who is done like Tanguay. Rather see them play a couple of the kids than those 2.


just because they are veterans doesn't mean they are better.
- TTtime

I understand that there are VERY slim pickings, but the whole Tanguay thing doesn't make sense to me. He is done, especially based on his play the past couple of seasons. A veteran yes, but not worth it. Higgins... Meh