Look nobody cares about Risto
- Feds91Stammer

And you are correct its not about Risto its about the larger list of defencemen not on the list you posted due to playing far less than a full season their "Rookie" year, that you are using to prove a point.

nobody cares about Dallas until they get a goalie.. be realistic
- nowiremember

Actually most people enjoy watching Dallas play whereas most people think about killing themselves after watching Buffalo play.

And I think this whole conversation started with someone saying it looks like they plan on winning a lot of games 7-6.
- RonPielep

which is better than having a great defense but losing games 2-1 and 1-0

Actually most people enjoy watching Dallas play whereas most people think about killing themselves after watching Buffalo play.
- Feds91Stammer

What does this have to do with Buffalo? Pull it together.

What does this have to do with Buffalo? Pull it together.
- nowiremember

that hockey is also an entertainment product

What does this have to do with Buffalo? Pull it together.
- nowiremember

You were the one complaining about 3rd pair D man Rasmus Ristolainen not being included on that list...

Ultimately, I think Nill and his staff has spent a lot of time scouting their prospects and are comfortable with giving them an opportunity. He said this summer that his front office, when they took over, put a plan together and that plan included that Goligoski and Russel were stopgaps until their young players are ready. They clearly feel they are ready.
- rangerdanger94

Yes that seems to be what all signs are pointing to. I just think they would be taking less of a gamble if they brought up Lindell and Johns a little earlier or at least in smaller roles to begin with. Like maybe having Johns brought up early in the season and Lindell brought up around or before when Johns was so they could compete for 2nd pairing duties and Dallas could get a better look at what they have coming into this season.

Anyways they seem to have found success in developing Klingberg, so I don't fully doubt their methods. Goligoski might have been a good stable presence to keep around to help bring along people like Honka and Lindell. Maybe they could have moved on from one of Nemeth, Oduya, Oleksiak or Benn and kept Goligoski instead.

You were the one complaining about 3rd pair D man Rasmus Ristolainen not being included on that list...
- Feds91Stammer

I'm not complaining.. im pointing out the flaw in your logic that some Dallas D man is elite by you not properly considering players first "full" seasons when you compare them. Ristolainen is not the only on brought on to that list when you omit a 34 game rookie season. Compare apples to apples and you have an argument. Until you do I will poke holes in it.

I'm not complaining.. im pointing out the flaw in your logic that some Dallas D man is elite by you not properly considering players first "full" seasons when you compare them. Ristolainen is not the only on brought on to that list when you omit a 34 game rookie season. Compare apples to apples and you have an argument. Until you do I will poke holes in it.
- nowiremember

Well considering you have no idea what I was showing go ahead and poke those holes dummy

Well considering you have no idea what I was showing go ahead and poke those holes dummy
- Feds91Stammer

I'm pretty good at reading man.. I followed the full conversation as you gushed over Dallas young D corp. Pull it together.

Well considering you have no idea what I was showing go ahead and poke those holes dummy
- Feds91Stammer

poking holes is what led to his birth

which is better than having a great defense but losing games 2-1 and 1-0
- bulet13

Nobody is saying it isn't.

poking holes is what led to his birth
- bulet13

tag teamed by two little children.. fun. I will leave now so you guys can gush more over Dallas' elite D.

I'm pretty good at reading man.. I followed the full conversation as you gushed over Dallas young D corp. Pull it together.
- nowiremember

So what does my list have to do with Johns, Lindell, and Honka being great D prospects?

If they want to retain salary on Niemi and move a ritchie or nichushkin they should be able to obtain MAF or Bishop.
- Feds91Stammer

I think that would probably be a good move for them although I'd be wary of Bishop as he needs to be resigned and that could get ugly.

I think that would probably be a good move for them although I'd be wary of Bishop as he needs to be resigned and that could get ugly.
- RonPielep

Bishop will want to get paid and not many teams will have a need or ability to do that. Also I doubt a trade would be made if Dallas could not first talk to his agent.

So what does my list have to do with Johns, Lindell, and Honka being great D prospects?
- Feds91Stammer

Shouldn't you answer that since you posted the flawed list for some reason? Had to be to prove some point.

Shouldn't you answer that since you posted the flawed list for some reason? Had to be to prove some point.
- nowiremember

Why is the list flawed?

So what does my list have to do with Johns, Lindell, and Honka being great D prospects?
- Feds91Stammer

no the problem is your list doesn't fit into his argument perfectly so it's a bad list

Why is the list flawed?
- Feds91Stammer

Already explained. Should be first FULL season to get proper perspective. Why post it?

Already explained. Should be first FULL season to get proper perspective. Why post it?
- nowiremember

It's to illustrate that it isn't extremely rare for a young D man to produce an immediate impact in his 1st year. Which would be Lindell (4 NHL games) or Honka (0 NHL games). The list is filtered exactly the way I want it so asshats like Risto aren't on it.

Yes and that suggests the defense will be so bad they have to score an insane amount of goals to win which is where my argument that their D is much better than people give them credit for.
- Feds91Stammer

You just used team corsi stats to show the D wasn't that bad last year, as a counter to the GA argument (by Bone) which you state doesn't paint the whole picture of the D performing badly because in fact they scored a lot more goals and their possession was fairly strong. Correct?

Then I mention the initial argument that Dallas is gunna win games 7-6 and you say this suggest the D will be so bad they have to score an insane amount of goals.

Do you see the inconsistencies there? GA don't necessarily suggest D will be bad because they scored a lot more goals for. But winning 7-6 somehow then implies the defense will be so bad they have to score a lot of goals. Does not compute.

Anyways I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the fact that their D prospects do look a lot better than I would've originally given credit for. I agree they play a high event game which is a large contributor to these elevated GF/GA stats as opposed to simply a stacked offense and poop defense/goalie which is probably a bit too one dimensional of an analysis.

Bishop will want to get paid and not many teams will have a need or ability to do that. Also I doubt a trade would be made if Dallas could not first talk to his agent.
- Feds91Stammer

Would be really interesting if they could land Fleury from the Pens. They could send a vet goalie back to help bring along Murray (who the Pens would protect). I doubt they retain much salary tho because MAF is already on a pretty hefty contract and if they were to retain much chances are LV would sweep in and pick that goalie up.

You just used team corsi stats to show the D wasn't that bad last year, as a counter to the GA argument (by Bone) which you state doesn't paint the whole picture of the D performing badly because in fact they scored a lot more goals and their possession was fairly strong. Correct?

Then I mention the initial argument that Dallas is gunna win games 7-6 and you say this suggest the D will be so bad they have to score an insane amount of goals.

Do you see the inconsistencies there? GA don't necessarily suggest D will be bad because they scored a lot more goals for. But winning 7-6 somehow then implies the defense will be so bad they have to score a lot of goals. Does not compute.

Anyways I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the fact that their D prospects do look a lot better than I would've originally given credit for. I agree they play a high event game which is a large contributor to these elevated GF/GA stats as opposed to simply a stacked offense and poop defense/goalie which is probably a bit too one dimensional of an analysis.
- RonPielep

I used those numbers to show they were fine last year but the point is suggesting they will give up significantly more goals is stupid. I get what you're saying though.

Any update on Jimmy Vesey yet?
Seems things have gone quiet