This hasn't exactly been their calling card else they wouldn't have let in as many goals as they did last year when they had a deeper and more established D corps.
- MaximumBone

3rd in 5v5 CF%
13th in 5v5 SCF%
5th in 5v5 xGF%
10th in 5v5 GF%


I think they did just fine.

you clearly have not been following along and must be reading some other blog
- bulet13

Why don't you go read his posts again then because you are clearly missing the multiple times he has stated that he doesn't think they are doomed, just that it is a risk. In other words he is not assuming these rookie D can't perform in these top 4 roles, he is just stating that there is a fairly large risk in assuming they can.

If you can't understand the differences between those two positions then I think we are done here.

It's never black and white. There a multiple factors that resulted in their GA. It includes poor defensive play, lazy effort from the forwards, bad goaltending, etc.
- rangerdanger94

no its clearly all on the fault of the defense they are the only ones responsible for making sure the puck doesnt go into the net thats why i suggest every team employ 5 defensemen on the ice all the time

3rd in 5v5 CF%
13th in 5v5 SCF%
5th in 5v5 xGF%
10th in 5v5 GF%


I think they did just fine.
- Feds91Stammer

Those numbers don't separate offensive contributions from defensive ones and nobody is saying as a whole that Dallas was bad.

Why don't you go read his posts again then because you are clearly missing the multiple times he has stated that he doesn't think they are doomed, just that it is a risk. In other words he is not assuming these rookie D can't perform in these top 4 roles, he is just stating that there is a fairly large risk in assuming they can.

If you can't understand the differences between those two positions then I think we are done here.
- RonPielep

and if you think that dallas doesnt understand this and havent done their due diligence and risk management and decided that it is in their best interests to not overpay for a moderate defender and instead play their young guys then we are done here

Those numbers don't separate offensive contributions from defensive ones and nobody is saying as a whole that Dallas was bad.
- RonPielep

That is the point. You can't solely look at goals allowed and say they struggled defensively when they scored significantly more goals. They play a high event system.

1st year D men under the age of 23 over the last 3 seasons with 20+ points

http://www.hockey-referen...d=5&order_by=games_played
- Feds91Stammer

Where is Ristolainen on that list? I think its broken.
Edit: wait maybe i misread.. its >20pts in all 3 seasons.. my bad.

Where is Ristolainen on that list? I think its broken.
- nowiremember

He had 4 points his first season...

Where is Ristolainen on that list? I think its broken.
Edit: wait maybe i misread.. its >20pts in all 3 seasons.. my bad.
- nowiremember

It's defenseman that put up 20+ points in their 1st nhl season under the age of 23 for any of the past 3 seasons.

He had 4 points his first season...
- Feds91Stammer

and if you think that dallas doesnt understand this and havent done their due diligence and risk management and decided that it is in their best interests to not overpay for a moderate defender and instead play their young guys then we are done here
- bulet13

No I fully agree with the people, including yourself, who are saying that Dallas is taking a calculated risk.

What I was arguing with you, is that you completely misconstrued Bone's position to create an irrelevant straw man argument for yourself (i.e., when you act like Max thinks older always equals better ).

All I am saying is that in my view it is a fairly large calculated risk and I don't see the harm in taking out a short term insurance policy on a cheap top 4 option (whether through trade or FA, although not sure much is left at this point). As I have said before, if they think, worst case scenario, players like Oduya/Nemeth can step in adequately in the top 4, then I understand their reluctance to bring in additional reliable help.

I don't remember what defense Pitt rolled out nightly in the playoffs but they had Pouliot and Dumoulin last year
- rangerdanger94

Pouliot didn't play a lot in the playoffs, it was mostly Letang, Dumo, Daley (untl injury), Maatta, Lovejoy, Cole, Schultz

That is the point. You can't solely look at goals allowed and say they struggled defensively when they scored significantly more goals. They play a high event system.
- Feds91Stammer

And I think this whole conversation started with someone saying it looks like they plan on winning a lot of games 7-6.

It's defenseman that put up 20+ points in their 1st nhl season under the age of 23 for any of the past 3 seasons.
- Feds91Stammer

ya i see that.. might want to be a bit more realistic and look at first season as a higher number of games than 34 if you want to actually prove something with that list.

No I fully agree with the people, including yourself, who are saying that Dallas is taking a calculated risk.

What I was arguing with you, is that you completely misconstrued Bone's position to create an irrelevant straw man argument for yourself (i.e., when you act like Max thinks older always equals better ).

All I am saying is that in my view it is a fairly large calculated risk and I don't see the harm in taking out a short term insurance policy on a cheap top 4 option (whether through trade or FA, although not sure much is left at this point). As I have said before, if they think, worst case scenario, players like Oduya/Nemeth can step in adequately in the top 4, then I understand their reluctance to bring in additional reliable help.
- RonPielep

Ultimately, I think Nill and his staff has spent a lot of time scouting their prospects and are comfortable with giving them an opportunity. He said this summer that his front office, when they took over, put a plan together and that plan included that Goligoski and Russel were stopgaps until their young players are ready. They clearly feel they are ready.

ya i see that.. might want to be a bit more realistic and look at first season as a higher number of games than 34 if you want to actually prove something with that list.
- nowiremember

Look nobody cares about Risto

The stars should be focusing on getting a goaltender. ....not that this is a bad signing , but hopefully Nill turns around deals his offensive surplus for some help in net.
- Alexzanki

Nichushkin and Niemi for Fleury

This season looks like the perfect opportunity for Dallas to shore up their goal tending situation. You guys think it is likely they make a play for one of Murray, MAF, Bishop or Vasil?

Look nobody cares about Risto
- Feds91Stammer

nobody cares about Dallas until they get a goalie.. be realistic

And I think this whole conversation started with someone saying it looks like they plan on winning a lot of games 7-6.
- RonPielep

Yes and that suggests the defense will be so bad they have to score an insane amount of goals to win which is where my argument that their D is much better than people give them credit for.

Ultimately, I think Nill and his staff has spent a lot of time scouting their prospects and are comfortable with giving them an opportunity. He said this summer that his front office, when they took over, put a plan together and that plan included that Goligoski and Russel were stopgaps until their young players are ready. They clearly feel they are ready.
- rangerdanger94

Which is crazy because Gogo is a damn good defenseman too.

nobody cares about Dallas until they get a goalie.. be realistic
- nowiremember

Jimmy Vesey snubbed your team

nobody cares about Dallas until they get a goalie.. be realistic
- nowiremember

Halak for Nichushkin and a conditional 2019 2nd rounder

This season looks like the perfect opportunity for Dallas to shore up their goal tending situation. You guys think it is likely they make a play for one of Murray, MAF, Bishop or Vasil?
- RonPielep

If they want to retain salary on Niemi and move a ritchie or nichushkin they should be able to obtain MAF or Bishop.

Which is crazy because Gogo is a damn good defenseman too.
- j.boyd919

Yeah Dallas just doesn't have the ability to commit that money to him for 5 years like AZ did.