I am a Canuck fan and I am not the slightest bit worried . I think Benning and Co have done a bang up job.
- VANTEL

we wait and see

Iggys been gone 6 years now and your team finished 24 th. Can't really say I like your teams approach.

With all the positives that you think your team has done and everything that went wrong for us last year you only finished three spots above us.

No sir I don't see the advantage of doing it your way.
- VANTEL

Iggy has been gone 3 seasons .... But you will paint this picture how you see fit and let's not forget about the playoffs the season before last ...

I guess I'm looking big picture and not short term

we wait and see
- K-man25

Like I told Red . You began your rebuild 5 years ago and you finished 24 th this year. Everything went according to your plan , and our year was riddled with injuries and old unproductive players. Your team finished three slots ahead of us.

I don't think what you are offering up is a magic formula , rather a system that no team has proven is a successful formula. All teams in the last seven years have drafted well, traded well, and made good UFA signings.

No team has drafted only and found success.

It's a head scratcher for sure.

If JB wants to compete for the cup now, then the roster he's put together is not competitive enough. He has a lot of work to do over the next few seasons.

If he's building for the future then he's made mistakes by trading picks and prospects for middling talent.

I'm not clear on the direction this team is taking. And I know I'm not alone.
- bloatedmosquito

There are many Canuck fans who range from Vantel to bloated in what they see going on ...this will be a big year

Iggy has been gone 3 seasons .... But you will paint this picture how you see fit and let's not forget about the playoffs the season before last ...

I guess I'm looking big picture and not short term
- Redmile247

Iggy was traded 4 seasons ago.

You are not looking at the big picture. You are just repeating cliches that many misinformed armchair GMs quote .


Name me one team that has won a cup in the last 15 years on drafting alone.

Don't come at me with Boston LA or Chi . They all had nice draft picks but made very significant trades and UFA signings. Pittsburg are the poster child of big trades.

Iggy has been gone 3 seasons .... But you will paint this picture how you see fit and let's not forget about the playoffs the season before last ...

I guess I'm looking big picture and not short term
- Redmile247

Benning looked at the playoffs two seasons ago and said holy crap . Quite a few of thos players are gone . Some are still on the way out.

Calgary finished 2 points ahead of us last year . Not 22 but 2.

Iggy was traded 4 seasons ago.

You are not looking at the big picture. You are just repeating cliches that many misinformed armchair GMs quote .


Name me one team that has won a cup in the last 15 years on drafting alone.

Don't come at me with Boston LA or Chi . They all had nice draft picks but made very significant trades and UFA signings. Pittsburg are the poster child of big trades.
- VANTEL

This season coming up will be the 4th

No team has won with drafting alone ...but key pieces were obtained through the draft ...then years later they made their trades after they knew what the toews, Kane, kopi , doughty , Sid geno , we're going to be ...those teams were patient until the right time then made trades .....where's your Sid ? Toews ? Kopi ?
You don't know yet so right now your just hopeful they come along ...and they could ...but until then you just don't know

This season coming up will be the 4th

No team has won with drafting alone ...but key pieces were obtained through the draft ...then years later they made their trades after they knew what the toews, Kane, kopi , doughty , Sid geno , we're going to be ...those teams were patient until the right time then made trades .....where's your Sid ? Toews ? Kopi ?
You don't know yet so right now your just hopeful they come along ...and they could ...but until then you just don't know
- Redmile247

They were not patient , they had cheap owners.

Where is any teams Sid Kopitar or a Toews. As far as I know there are no other Sid Crosbys playing for any other team than Pittsburg. Do you know of another team that he plays for?

You have had 4 drafts since Iggy left plus you got pieces back . That is considered 4 years.

Why is the patient tank method the best way forward? It may not be the best way but I think it has become a viable option under today's NHL rules and environment. Few examples:

1. It seems to me that players you draft have fewer issues when it comes to contract negotiations. They stay longer and seem to have more loyalty to the crest.
- bloatedmosquito

I'll give you this, with the CBA allowing teams to resign their own drafted players for a potential 8 year contract (usually only reserved for superstars like Stamkos, Crosby, etc.) it makes sense for them to stay longer and be loyal.

2. I like the idea of players maturing together and developing together. Line chemistry is hard to find so an organization should find time to develop, not just individual players, but combinations of players.

This might be true, but then again, you need a mix of veterans who can mentor your young talent and bring them along so that they aren't thrown to the wolves before they've learned enough about the league to handle it.

3. When superstars come available (more rare now than ever) you as a franchise have to be in a position to compete for those players. that means high draft picks and a few prospects with potential. No better way of obtaining those assets than the "patient tank method".

I disagree, with the top 3 spots now all being drawn via lottery, your chances of getting that superstar are worse now than ever before. Just being 30th overall when drawing the balls, you have a better chance of finishing out of the top 3 than getting 1OA. Besides that, getting a superstar doesn't automatically guarantee success, look at the Oilers, Islanders and Colorado. They all have superstars but have yet to be able to put it all together to make runs to win the Cup for various reasons.

The canucks have had success with building teams through trades; 94 team and the west coast express days. But I will argue that their only sustained success was with players that were drafted and developed by the team.

The sustained success was because they took a team that was largely competitive and they traded assets (draft picks/prospects/roster players not working out) to complement the core in place. A core which until then was mired in mediocrity alternating being knocked out of the first or second round or not making the playoffs at all. That is how you find success, identifying players you feel best fit your team's philosophy/makeup and then acquire them, whether it be via the draft, trade, waivers or FA signing.

You can't rely solely on drafting, because not all of your picks are going to turn out, you never really know what you have until you put them in NHL action. Not to mention situations and philosophies change depending on how much success the team has. You have to build your team any way you can and not rely on any one method, you have to improve constantly especially in the West or you are going to be stuck at the bottom of the standings for a long time to come.

Benning looked at the playoffs two seasons ago and said holy crap . Quite a few of thos players are gone . Some are still on the way out.

Calgary finished 2 points ahead of us last year . Not 22 but 2.
- VANTEL

Which is good ...you have to make changes ...but I bet they make much more changes and add in guys like Boeser, OJ, demko before they are ready to compete for the cup again

2 points With record setting awful goaltending ...

Which is good ...you have to make changes ...but I bet they make much more changes and add in guys like Boeser, OJ, demko before they are ready to compete for the cup again

2 points With record setting awful goaltending ...
- Redmile247

Yes 2 points only with our God awful defence. The year before we beat you by one point. Do you see how ridiculous your advice is ? You are bagging about Calgary doing it right , and Canucks doing it wrong and look at the results for the last two years. Yes we got manhandled in the PO but the GM is fixing that as we speak.

Yes 2 points only with our God awful defence. The year before we beat you by one point. Do you see how ridiculous your advice is ? You are bagging about Calgary doing it right , and Canucks doing it wrong and look at the results for the last two years. Yes we got manhandled in the PO but the GM is fixing that as we speak.
- VANTEL

The funny thing is I didn't bring calgary into this ...you did ...this started with me stating I didn't think going for it during the sedins current contract was a good idea ...you just brought the flames into the convo

If your D was so god awful then losing one of your best should make this years team want to go for it ?

Yes 2 points only with our God awful defence. The year before we beat you by one point. Do you see how ridiculous your advice is ? You are bagging about Calgary doing it right , and Canucks doing it wrong and look at the results for the last two years. Yes we got manhandled in the PO but the GM is fixing that as we speak.
- VANTEL

My advice is to not go for it until you know what Bo, Boeser, OJ, and demko are ....yeah that sounds pretty ridiculous

Yes 2 points only with our God awful defence. The year before we beat you by one point. Do you see how ridiculous your advice is ? You are bagging about Calgary doing it right , and Canucks doing it wrong and look at the results for the last two years. Yes we got manhandled in the PO but the GM is fixing that as we speak.
- VANTEL

It's kind of funny, I don't see any Pittsburg, Chicago or LA fans in here explaining to us the proper way to build a competitor, it's fans of teams that finished at the bottom of the standings. It's like Larry explaining to Curly and Moe how to split the atom.

It's kind of funny, I don't see any Pittsburg, Chicago or LA fans in here explaining to us the proper way to build a competitor, it's fans of teams that finished at the bottom of the standings. It's like Larry explaining to Curly and Moe how to split the atom.
- CubanBuffet

I like Red so I don't mind the discussions even though I blew up last week, but I thought the exact same thing an hour ago

The funny thing is I didn't bring calgary into this ...you did ...this started with me stating I didn't think going for it during the sedins current contract was a good idea ...you just brought the flames into the convo

If your D was so god awful then losing one of your best should make this years team want to go for it ?
- Redmile247

The discussion started when you were saying Canucks should not look at trading Edler.

If Canucks do finish bottom 10 then we still get a good pick. So moving Edler and picking up a young stud forward and a top 10 pick is not the worst scenario.

I do believe though with or without Edler we will be ok.

Yes 2 points only with our God awful defence. The year before we beat you by one point. Do you see how ridiculous your advice is ? You are bagging about Calgary doing it right , and Canucks doing it wrong and look at the results for the last two years. Yes we got manhandled in the PO but the GM is fixing that as we speak.
- VANTEL

It's kind of funny, I don't see any Pittsburg, Chicago or LA fans in here explaining to us the proper way to build a competitor, it's fans of teams that finished at the bottom of the standings. It's like Larry explaining to Curly and Moe how to split the atom.
- CubanBuffet

It's kind of funny, I don't see any Pittsburg, Chicago or LA fans in here explaining to us the proper way to build a competitor, it's fans of teams that finished at the bottom of the standings. It's like Larry explaining to Curly and Moe how to split the atom.
- CubanBuffet

I love the arguments that fans of teams at the bottom know less about hockey than fans of cup champs ...makes total sense as the fan bases as a whole decides what players to draft and trades to make ...

Let's face it ... fans of cup winning teams have little concern for either of our teams

I like Red so I don't mind the discussions even though I blew up last week, but I thought the exact same thing an hour ago
- VANTEL

You like me

The discussion started when you were saying Canucks should not look at trading Edler.

If Canucks do finish bottom 10 then we still get a good pick. So moving Edler and picking up a young stud forward and a top 10 pick is not the worst scenario.

I do believe though with or without Edler we will be ok.
- VANTEL

A young stud forward and a top 10 pick ?

I know we differ on edler but common ...typo ?

And either way I didn't bring the flames into this

I love the arguments that fans of teams at the bottom know less about hockey than fans of cup champs ...makes total sense as the fan bases as a whole decides what players to draft and trades to make ...

Let's face it ... fans of cup winning teams have little concern for either of our teams
- Redmile247

It's less what the fans know and more the insinuation that the approach their team is taking is superior.

I like Red so I don't mind the discussions even though I blew up last week, but I thought the exact same thing an hour ago
- VANTEL

He's a good poster. I don't mind the odd dig if they are either true or at least clever.

A young stud forward and a top 10 pick ?

I know we differ on edler but common ...typo ?

And either way I didn't bring the flames into this
- Redmile247

The top ten pick would be because we finished in the bottom ten. The player would be for Edler. Try and keep up.

The top ten pick would be because we finished in the bottom ten. The player would be for Edler. Try and keep up.
- CubanBuffet

Thank you . Saved me the explanation