Could be wrong, probably am wrong, but wouldn't put it past them to stand pat, have a horse bleep season ,just to market that draft and get a top 5 or lotto pick next June!
- wonthecup10

A different FO perhaps, not this one. Doesn't fit the McD brand mgmt narrative. Plus Rocky would like to see at least a couple rounds worth of playoff gate revenue.

Hudler is worth $2 million, if he is going to put up 45 to 50 points.

Can Stan find money in between the cushions of the couch ? Or is there not enough room ?

If Hudler wants $2MM firm there is room for that, but perhaps he wants term, which SB will probably not offer beyond one year.

With that I will withdraw my prediction that Hudler signs with CHI. It also explains why we have heard essentially no news about him.

Realistically, if Panarin has another stellar year, you are looking at losing one of;

Panarin, Crawford, or Seabrook.

Which one will you pick?
- vabeachbear

Not advocating for trading one or another, but with expansion coming, goalies will probably go pretty cheaply; teams will be looking to get something for players they'd lose anyway - so Crawford would probably bring back very little haul, but possible replacements might be cheap. In theory. OTOH, Panarin types always have value - he'd bring back a bigger return, but be much harder to replace.

The very best demonstration I've seen on how easily it is to make goalie equipment normal size, still protect the goalie and make the game so much better. I do however disagree with decreasing the stick length though. Scroll down to the second video. http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...t-delayed-2017-18-season/
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks for sharing, that news stinks, I really felt it would be to the Hawks advantage to have the gear stream lined

Edit, it stinks the goalie equipment most likely won't be ready for this season.

With Kruger and Tootoots, I set the combined season goal total over/under at 8
- Sundevil

I don't expect these lines to generate points on their own but with the addition of Campbell, who was excellent along the blue line when he played for us, full healthy season of Keith, TVR who's not bad and Kempny, if what I keep hearing is true he's really really good offensively and is able to assimilate to the smaller ice and stay out of Q's dog house defensively, this is how those lines will score. Which in my humble opinion really hurt lines 1, 3 and 4 last year.

We have the cap room for that dont we? On a side note, we could be looking at a 4th line of Lundberg, Moose and Tootoo. Not a bad physical/energy 4th line group. And maybe a 3rd line of Motte, Kruger and Schmaltz. Dunno... trying to stay positive with the cap crunch and available players.
- z1990z

That's not bad. It puts a lot of pressure on the 1LW (Panik?) Still need to solve that problem.

With Kruger and Tootoots, I set the combined season goal total over/under at 8
- Sundevil

That might be the total combine for the entire bottom six

I shouldn't be down on this stuff, was hoping for a big LW re-do for Toews after the Saad crap, obviously disappointing Vesey chose NY,but moving on, go look at CSN Chicago clip on what s next for Hawks after Vesey went to NY. Lots of truth to it, I just can't see Q stating some of that with sincerity, he probably had a hard time getting some of that out while thinking,No F"N way, 1or2 maybe , but a total strike out amongst the forwards this summer? Yeah the D looks better, but we lost Ladd, Dano, Teuvo, Weiss,Danault ,Shaw, did I miss anyone, and put the Kool Aid down on these in coming kids, replaced NADDA 1of them with NHL talent. This is supposed to be a cup contending team with the window starting to close, I gotta believe SB is working on something behind closed doors while trying to publicly stay positive about what lies ahead. We got knocked in the 1st round,bounces or not, we lost some guys and haven't replaced them , don't see how as of today we miss getting a top 7 pick next June??

I shouldn't be down on this stuff, was hoping for a big LW re-do for Toews after the Saad crap, obviously disappointing Vesey chose NY,but moving on, go look at CSN Chicago clip on what s next for Hawks after Vesey went to NY. Lots of truth to it, I just can't see Q stating some of that with sincerity, he probably had a hard time getting some of that out while thinking,No F"N way, 1or2 maybe , but a total strike out amongst the forwards this summer? Yeah the D looks better, but we lost Ladd, Dano, Teuvo, Weiss,Danault ,Shaw, did I miss anyone, and put the Kool Aid down on these in coming kids, replaced NADDA 1of them with NHL talent. This is supposed to be a cup contending team with the window starting to close, I gotta believe SB is working on something behind closed doors while trying to publicly stay positive about what lies ahead. We got knocked in the 1st round,bounces or not, we lost some guys and haven't replaced them , don't see how as of today we miss getting a top 7 pick next June??
- wonthecup10

I always ask posters who post this type of posts;

While not argueing with you, what would you have done different from the end of the season on?

You know, its really not that difficult, you trade someone else.
- vabeachbear

Oh it's just that easy? Going to trade Toews and lose their #1 center, trade Kane and neuter the most impactful line they have? Trade Keith/Seabs and create a huge hole in the defense? No one is trading anything for Hossa's contract, and are you really comfortable trading Crow and having Darling being your #1?

Oh it's just that easy? Going to trade Toews and lose their #1 center, trade Kane and neuter the most impactful line they have? Trade Keith/Seabs and create a huge hole in the defense? No one is trading anything for Hossa's contract, and are you really comfortable trading Crow and having Darling being your #1?
- mw630

Well let's step back and look at it logically, instead of emotionally.

When it comes down to it, if you want to sign Panarin, you can, you just need to move someone else out.

You cannot trade Hossa, we have discussed ad nauseum, recapture penalties make it prohibitive. So, in my mind, you have to trade one of;

Seabrook, Crawford, or AA. Maybe Kruger depending on what Panarin costs.

Again, that's the choices unless you want to trade Panarin for assests. I don't think its a bad move to get good assests for Panarin, I just believe you need younger guys in the core.

I would have traded Crow and kept Sadd, but that's me, and maybe Stan tried and couldn't, dunno.

I would trade Crow and keep Panarin, yes. Over 30 yr olds, need to be rotated out of the core. Hawks got lucky finding Panarin, don't think I'd let him get away.

Will their be a jettison in Winnipeg?

I look at the forwards there, their contracts and their "graduating" AHL players who will be available to OTHER teams IF they can't crack the Jets line-up.

I am trying to look at it like a poacher...but one with a close relationship with the livestock's owner, Chevy.

They need to figure money for Trouba, and they are not a team that spends close to the Cap limit.
They did lose the Andrew Ladd contract, but might simply be a matter of them adding the close to now ready young forwards and intergratu=ing them with the youngsters there already with their vets.
I won't drone on and type all their names but have a look at your leisure.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/winnipeg-jets

http://www2.dailyfaceoff....ms/lines/14/winnipeg-jets

I am fairly certain that the Finnish Brett Hull, Patrik Laine stays.

My point is there seems to be a situation that the Hawk line-up might benefit from
a jet subtraction...albeit probably not a player who is exclusively a LW.

I guess I am just circle around trading TvR yet again, and Trouba's complaint was having to play off hand as RIGHT-handed LEFT point defender...TVR is a right hander who has played really well w/o complaint on the left side.

I am not thinking the Hawks add throw in Jets defender, or Trouba, just that I see some guys who fit our Cap and maybe need, and think they will subtract before the season starts...

Well let's step back and look at it logically, instead of emotionally.

When it comes down to it, if you want to sign Panarin, you can, you just need to move someone else out.

You cannot trade Hossa, we have discussed ad nauseum, recapture penalties make it prohibitive. So, in my mind, you have to trade one of;

Seabrook, Crawford, or AA. Maybe Kruger depending on what Panarin costs.

Again, that's the choices unless you want to trade Panarin for assests. I don't think its a bad move to get good assests for Panarin, I just believe you need younger guys in the core.

I would have traded Crow and kept Sadd, but that's me, and maybe Stan tried and couldn't, dunno.

I would trade Crow and keep Panarin, yes. Over 30 yr olds, need to be rotated out of the core. Hawks got lucky finding Panarin, don't think I'd let him get away.
- vabeachbear

Don't know yet how much I agree with your conclusion, but one thing the Vesey denouement - as well as the Hayes and Reilly conclusions - has shown us is that the term of the Hawks being a/the desired location for high quality young free agents - North American, at least - has ended - Panarin could be the end of the chain.

Lots of reasons, some/most not due to Hawk failures, but - whatever.

And player development had not been a shining success for this regime.

I always ask posters who post this type of posts;

While not argueing with you, what would you have done different from the end of the season on?
- vabeachbear

Good Question, caught between a rock and a hard stone there! Prolly just have to ride it out this year. I know that there will be teams out there that will not think twice about showing the Hawks no mercy this season if they have to play 5-6 rookies. The Vets will be taxed out and the opposition will just hammer away at the kids , I guess that's what happens when you have 50 mill tied up in 7 guys.

Will their be a jettison in Winnipeg?

I look at the forwards there, their contracts and their "graduating" AHL players who will be available to OTHER teams IF they can't crack the Jets line-up.

I am trying to look at it like a poacher...but one with a close relationship with the livestock's owner, Chevy.

They need to figure money for Trouba, and they are not a team that spends close to the Cap limit.
They did lose the Andrew Ladd contract, but might simply be a matter of them adding the close to now ready young forwards and intergratu=ing them with the youngsters there already with their vets.
I won't drone on and type all their names but have a look at your leisure.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/winnipeg-jets

http://www2.dailyfaceoff....ms/lines/14/winnipeg-jets

I am fairly certain that the Finnish Brett Hull, Patrik Laine stays.

My point is there seems to be a situation that the Hawk line-up might benefit from
a jet subtraction...albeit probably not a player who is exclusively a LW.

I guess I am just circle around trading TvR yet again, and Trouba's complaint was having to play off hand as RIGHT-handed LEFT point defender...TVR is a right hander who has played really well w/o complaint on the left side.

I am not thinking the Hawks add throw in Jets defender, or Trouba, just that I see some guys who fit our Cap and maybe need, and think they will subtract before the season starts...
- wiz1901

I feel like WPG has had a blooming prospect pool for a few years now. At least a few of those guys have to not be waiver exempt anymore this preseason right? I think with guys like Dano, Ehlers, Laine now added to the mix there are other prospects that dont have a spot.

Especially with guys like Connor and Lemieux. Are they going to keep them down if they clearly show they are ready?

The chance of this Blackhawk core to flop to a top ten pick?

take about doomsday scenario-ing!

Just because the draft is in Chicago?

and if you get a top ten, that doesn't guarantee anything except to put Tony Tanti pressure on that kid.

But ask me about the draft!

I like this class although there is no Crosby, Gretsky, or Kane sitting at the top.c
It does seem to be a very thick first round class whose third tier (usually ends mid first round at 20-ish) extends to the high 30's because there is finally a really strong goalie class , and a large quantity of promising forwards that may climb up and thicken the crop even more.

Here is my 90 player mock, and I love the kid I have going to the hawks late in the second, Kole Lind, who might very well end up a lot higher when the 2016-17 players start leveling, rising & dropping.

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2017/

I totally convince my 93 players become the basis with which many of the experts start theirs...since their lists are nowhere to be found...

I feel like WPG has had a blooming prospect pool for a few years now. At least a few of those guys have to not be waiver exempt anymore this preseason right? I think with guys like Dano, Ehlers, Laine now added to the mix there are other prospects that dont have a spot.

Especially with guys like Connor and Lemieux. Are they going to keep them down if they clearly show they are ready?
- hawkeytalkman

Yeah, that is why I brought it up...they cannot keep them all and will lose one before the season starts so maybe there is a guy there to trade instead of losing...

Don't know yet how much I agree with your conclusion, but one thing the Vesey denouement - as well as the Hayes and Reilly conclusions - has shown us is that the term of the Hawks being a/the desired location for high quality young free agents - North American, at least - has ended - Panarin could be the end of the chain.

Lots of reasons, some/most not due to Hawk failures, but - whatever.

And player development had not been a shining success for this regime.
- StLBravesFan

Pipeline - Kempny ?

On the NA point, they did miss a couple, but they did sign LeBlanc (who was coveted at the time), TVR, Baun, Kero and Carey.

I think both the Reilly and Vesey situation had extenuating circumstances, and in each case, didn't the Hawks finish second beating out a number of other teams?

Pipeline - Kempny ?

On the NA point, they did miss a couple, but they did sign LeBlanc (who was coveted at the time), TVR, Baun, Kero and Carey.

I think both the Reilly and Vesey situation had extenuating circumstances, and in each case, didn't the Hawks finish second beating out a number of other teams?
- vabeachbear

I'm looking at "high quality" - none of those you mentioned (maybe excepting Kempny) are considered top-6 or top-pairing prospects, I don't think.

Will their be a jettison in Winnipeg?

I look at the forwards there, their contracts and their "graduating" AHL players who will be available to OTHER teams IF they can't crack the Jets line-up.

I am trying to look at it like a poacher...but one with a close relationship with the livestock's owner, Chevy.

They need to figure money for Trouba, and they are not a team that spends close to the Cap limit.
They did lose the Andrew Ladd contract, but might simply be a matter of them adding the close to now ready young forwards and intergratu=ing them with the youngsters there already with their vets.
I won't drone on and type all their names but have a look at your leisure.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/winnipeg-jets

http://www2.dailyfaceoff....ms/lines/14/winnipeg-jets

I am fairly certain that the Finnish Brett Hull, Patrik Laine stays.

My point is there seems to be a situation that the Hawk line-up might benefit from
a jet subtraction...albeit probably not a player who is exclusively a LW.

I guess I am just circle around trading TvR yet again, and Trouba's complaint was having to play off hand as RIGHT-handed LEFT point defender...TVR is a right hander who has played really well w/o complaint on the left side.

I am not thinking the Hawks add throw in Jets defender, or Trouba, just that I see some guys who fit our Cap and maybe need, and think they will subtract before the season starts...
- wiz1901

any thoughts about which players would interest the Hawks that the Jets might be willing to trade? and who besides TVR goes back?

Tanner has Karlsson as the 3rd best defenseman ever

I'm looking at "high quality" - none of those you mentioned (maybe excepting Kempny) are considered top-6 or top-pairing prospects, I don't think.
- StLBravesFan

High quality, like you have to draft in the top 15 to even start the conversation?

Sure there are few exceptions, but it is difficult to separate sucess in winning Cups, ending up high in the standings and failure at drafting high end talent from a draft position where it takes solid scouting & luck to find exceptions.

But Hammer Shaw Saad all were found, and the high quality return most certainly applies.

And the Euro finds are also coup.

Yeah, unless you find a bad team willing to wash it's hands of an underachieving early draftee (and they probably already want far too much money based on where they were picked, & upside,not their production), you have to be happy to get what you get from your late picks.

Philly stole Jakub Voracek from Bluejackets, got Simmonds from LA only because the Kings were hot that Mike Richards wasthe final piece to win a Cup...
you simply don't get opportunities....

Tanner has Karlsson as the 3rd best defenseman ever
- bhawks2241

After Bobby Orr and Doug Harvery before Brad Park and and one since?

I feel like WPG has had a blooming prospect pool for a few years now. At least a few of those guys have to not be waiver exempt anymore this preseason right? I think with guys like Dano, Ehlers, Laine now added to the mix there are other prospects that dont have a spot.

Especially with guys like Connor and Lemieux. Are they going to keep them down if they clearly show they are ready?
- hawkeytalkman

Winnipeg has some solid young prospects, they would be ripe for Stan to go in and poach a winger. Connor isn't going anywhere, neither is Laine or Ehlers. But guys like Dano, Lowry, Lemieux and Armia could be snatched up for a decent price. Chances are these guys are all bottom 6 forwards, but they could be an option if none of our own prospects are ready to step up.