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Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Aug 19 @ 9:43 PM ET
Thing is, all a schmuck like me had to do was ask the one friend I had with a league contact if Vesey would sign with the Sabres and the answer I got was NO. Why? Because the kid passed on Nashville because he wanted "bright lights and a big stage".

If I could find that out in late June, how come GMTM couldn't find that out before trading our 3rd away?

Somewhere here or in GARTH's blog I posted the "bright lights and big stage" quote back in June. I'm not going to bother looking for it, so you'll have to take my word for it.

- Losman


Yeah, except Toronto is arguably even bigger and brighter. LA is the glitziest place on Earth.

He just picked the best team close to mommy. That's it. If you're good, you get paid. Bottom line.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Aug 19 @ 9:45 PM ET
Wow, Bolt is ridiculous.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Aug 19 @ 9:47 PM ET
Wow, Bolt is ridiculous.
- Wetbandit1


He is pretty fast
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Aug 19 @ 9:48 PM ET
He is pretty fast
- cabin


Is he going to pull a Phelps? "I'm definitely, for sure done." Two years later, "yeah, ya got me, I'm comin back.".
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Aug 19 @ 9:51 PM ET
Is he going to pull a Phelps? "I'm definitely, for sure done." Two years later, "yeah, ya got me, I'm comin back.".
- Wetbandit1

Depends on who talks smack I guess.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 9:54 PM ET
I think cabin beat you to it.

This argument that his hands were tied due to contracts doesn't make a lot of sense if he goes ahead and uses picks in the later rounds.

If you can't see the parallels in my analogy then I will make it simple for you. Both teams were loaded with a certain type of asset and received a lesser return for that type of asset. At least that's the justification people use to explain why their GMs sold said asset for pennies on the dollar.

The magnitudes of value in each analogy however are not in the same universe. Burn on me.

- RonPielep


never said his hands were tied due to contracts...and where did pennies on the dollar come from?

he had four third-round picks in the 2016 draft, 12 overall...he decided to send one of them to Nashville for the opportunity to woo Vesey...

how does that equate to hall being sent to new jersey for what truly amounted to pennies on the dollar?
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Aug 19 @ 9:59 PM ET
never said his hands were tied due to contracts...and where did pennies on the dollar come from?

he had four third-round picks in the 2016 draft, 12 overall...he decided to send one of them to Nashville for the opportunity to woo Vesey...

how does that equate to hall being sent to new jersey for what truly amounted to pennies on the dollar?

- Michael Pachla


Sorry, pennies on the dollar was my attempt at being generous. What would have been more correct is spending an asset on a risk and receiving absolutely nothing in return.

Kinda like if Larsson were to turn around and jump to the KHL
bobmack13
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 03.03.2009

Aug 19 @ 10:03 PM ET
never said his hands were tied due to contracts...and where did pennies on the dollar come from?

he had four third-round picks in the 2016 draft, 12 overall...he decided to send one of them to Nashville for the opportunity to woo Vesey...

how does that equate to hall being sent to new jersey for what truly amounted to pennies on the dollar?

- Michael Pachla



Michael, your trying to reason with a troll. RonPielep=Sbroads=Hardhat.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:04 PM ET
Michael, your trying to reason with a troll. RonPielep=Sbroads=Hardhat.
- bobmack13

I was wondering if the Trolls were Trolling the other teams that lost out on Vesey or just the Sabres.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Aug 19 @ 10:04 PM ET
Thing is, all a schmuck like me had to do was ask the one friend I had with a league contact if Vesey would sign with the Sabres and the answer I got was NO. Why? Because the kid passed on Nashville because he wanted "bright lights and a big stage".

If I could find that out in late June, how come GMTM couldn't find that out before trading our 3rd away?

Somewhere here or in GARTH's blog I posted the "bright lights and big stage" quote back in June. I'm not going to bother looking for it, so you'll have to take my word for it.

- Losman


The guy is from Boston, went to Harvard and just had one of the biggest, overblown former 3rd round pick FA 5 month shows in NHL history after snubbing Nashville because their Broadway isn't big enough for him. In hindsight you had it nailed in June.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:06 PM ET
Sorry, pennies on the dollar was my attempt at being generous. What would have been more correct is spending an asset on a risk and receiving absolutely nothing in return.

Kinda like if Larsson were to turn around and jump to the KHL

- RonPielep


not even close...hall and Larsson are known nhl quantities with hall being a first overall pick and Larsson being the fourth-overall

the third round pick and Vesey--a former third-round pick himself --are nhl unknowns...and based upon how third-rounders usually pan out, it was a low-risk gamble
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:07 PM ET
Michael, your trying to reason with a troll. RonPielep=Sbroads=Hardhat.
- bobmack13

I know...but his avatar is mesmerizing...

can't....



...........break................




..................................free................
bobmack13
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 03.03.2009

Aug 19 @ 10:07 PM ET
I'm sorry Michael, my equation was wrong.

RonPielep=Sbroads=Hardhat=Losman
bobmack13
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 03.03.2009

Aug 19 @ 10:08 PM ET
I know...but his avatar is mesmerizing...

can't....



...........break................




..................................free................

- Michael Pachla


Is that a Canadian acid trip?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Aug 19 @ 10:09 PM ET
I was wondering if the Trolls were Trolling the other teams that lost out on Vesey or just the Sabres.
- SABRES 89

.
Pretty quiet around the other blogs.
SABRES 89
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Aug 19 @ 10:09 PM ET
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Pretty quiet around the other blogs.

- cabin

Doesn't shock me
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:10 PM ET
Is that a Canadian acid trip?
- bobmack13


I think it's universal...

I remember when I.........

meh...we'll leave it at that
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Aug 19 @ 10:11 PM ET
Doesn't shock me
- SABRES 89

Even Garfs is kinda normal. As far as normal goes .
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:11 PM ET
Doesn't shock me
- SABRES 89

everyone loves to have a mutt to kick around
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 19 @ 10:12 PM ET
I'm sorry Michael, my equation was wrong.

RonPielep=Sbroads=Hardhat=Losman

- bobmack13

I know, we should all be thrilled not landing another potential player.

Heaven forbid some people want us to be really good.
SABRES 89
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Aug 19 @ 10:13 PM ET
everyone loves to have a mutt to kick around
- Michael Pachla

Vesey is close friends with New York forward Kevin Hayes, a former Boston College player who signed as a college free agent with the Blueshirts in 2014 after spurning the Chicago Blackhawks.

“The thing that jumped out to me was they really wanted me and really needed to have me in their lineup,” Vesey said of the Rangers in a conference call with New York reporters Friday night.


If this kid couldn't see how much the Sabres wanted him, college has done nothing for him.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:14 PM ET
I know, we should all be thrilled not landing another potential player.

Heaven forbid some people want us to be really good.

- sbroads24


darcy was all about potential...he always said we'd be real good...eventually...kinda never happened...

it was a third-round pick for chrissakes...it's not like we traded a bonafide young stud and former first-overall pick for a potential first-pairing d-man, as some would have us believe
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 19 @ 10:15 PM ET
Vesey is close friends with New York forward Kevin Hayes, a former Boston College player who signed as a college free agent with the Blueshirts in 2014 after spurning the Chicago Blackhawks.

“The thing that jumped out to me was they really wanted me and really needed to have me in their lineup,” Vesey said of the Rangers in a conference call with New York reporters Friday night.


If this kid couldn't see how much the Sabres wanted him, college has done nothing for him.

- SABRES 89


blinded by the bright lights...

the rags had all the money in the world to bring in the best talent prior to the salary cap...they managed one cup, which is one more than the sabres...

*shrugs*

bright lights
SABRES 89
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Aug 19 @ 10:15 PM ET
darcy was all about potential...he always said we'd be real good...eventually...kinda never happened...

it was a third-round pick for chrissakes...it's not like we traded a bonafide young stud and former first-overall pick for a potential first-pairing d-man, as some would have us believe

- Michael Pachla

Suffering
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Aug 19 @ 10:15 PM ET
I know...but his avatar is mesmerizing...

can't....



...........break................




..................................free................

- Michael Pachla





Anyways I said the assets were in a different universe of value.

And I agree, it was a low cost gamble. poopty that it didn't pan out but whatever. All I disagree with are some of the justifications people use to sleep better at night.
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