Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Development Expectations and the Value of Depth
Author Message
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Aug 16 @ 10:42 AM ET
Exactly.

Its a good risk by the eagles and I am a cowboys fan.

Just like the cowboys going after La'ial Collins even with all the extra stuff going on before the draft.

- J35Bacher

Drink bleach
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 10:52 AM ET
Drink bleach
- KINGKENZO

I thought the correct response was "Delete your account"?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 16 @ 11:06 AM ET
But, but, then you'll be left out of arguments over why they should have never taken so and so with their 2nd pick in the 6th round!

- BiggE


lol - I'm training my eyes and brain to make those posts invisible
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 16 @ 12:08 PM ET
I changed my all time favourite movies list.

Jurassic Park
Kingpin
From Dusk Till Dawn
Superbad
The 3 Musketeers (1993)

I'm willing to write this in stone.

- roenick97

amazing how well JP still holds up 20+ years later
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 12:09 PM ET
But, but, then you'll be left out of arguments over why they should have never taken so and so with their 2nd pick in the 6th round!

- BiggE


Goulbourne was a great pick in the 3rd round.

Granted, I have never seen him play in person, have never met him personally, and don't know more than what I've read and seen through YouTube, but it's a great pick!!!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 16 @ 12:10 PM ET
I do like the way they seem to be identifying certain skill sets for this team. Good two way guys with size. I think they are building a team that will be hard to play against.
- J35Bacher


kings east is whats happening
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
kings east is whats happening
- Just5

If it gets the desired results
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 16 @ 12:48 PM ET
I changed my all time favourite movies list.

Jurassic Park
Kingpin
From Dusk Till Dawn
Superbad
The 3 Musketeers (1993)

I'm willing to write this in stone.

- roenick97

You should check out the 1948 version of the Three Musketeers. It's one of my favourites and if you like the newer one the older one is worth your time.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 12:49 PM ET
You should check out the 1948 version of the Three Musketeers. It's one of my favourites and if you like the newer one the older one is worth your time.
- mayorofangrytown

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 16 @ 1:07 PM ET
amazing how well JP still holds up 20+ years later
- Crimsoninja



For me I would have to go in no particular order:

Boondock Saints
Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather
Citizen Kane
The Deer Hunter
Platoon
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 1:10 PM ET
For me I would have to go in no particular order:

Boondock Saints
Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather
Citizen Kane
The Deer Hunter
Platoon

- J35Bacher


That's the kind of list I'd expect from a Cowboys fan. A lot of gun violence, ties to organized crime, and prison.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 1:12 PM ET
That's the kind of list I'd expect from a Cowboys fan. A lot of gun violence, ties to organized crime, and prison.
- jmatchett383


Shots fired!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 16 @ 1:15 PM ET
Anyone watching "The Night Of" right now?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 16 @ 1:21 PM ET
That's the kind of list I'd expect from a Cowboys fan. A lot of gun violence, ties to organized crime, and prison.
- jmatchett383



I'm just gonna nip this one in the bud right now.



dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 1:24 PM ET
I'm just gonna nip this one in the bud right now.




- MBFlyerfan




I'm Good
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 16 @ 1:26 PM ET
Anyone watching "The Night Of" right now?
- YuenglingJagr

On the 4th episode. Love it.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 16 @ 1:27 PM ET


I'm Good

- dragonoffrost



LOL, Iggles fans talking trash on any other NFC east team is like a quadriplegic laughing at a guy with a broken foot because he cant run fast.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 1:29 PM ET
I'm just gonna nip this one in the bud right now.




- MBFlyerfan


I don't know what the most inept "model franchise" in NFl history has to do with anything, but okay.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 1:31 PM ET


I'm Good

- dragonoffrost




I'm Better.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Aug 16 @ 1:36 PM ET
To expect Morin to reach that sort of level is to set the expectations bar and the pressure too high. The development goal is to make him as consistent and as NHL-ready as possible to give him his best chance of getting as much out of his abilities as he possibly can. If Morin becomes a reliable 18-to-20-minute per game NHL defenseman in the next couple years, the pick will have been a success.


It doesn't make any sense to limit what a player can be prior to seeing him play at the highest level. Let's see Morin in the NHL for a year or two, at the very least, before raising or lowering our expectations and his apparent ceiling.

Saying what level he can't attain before he gets a few seasons of NHL hockey under his belt is just as silly as setting the bar too high. Of course, one is the more practical approach, but it still all boils down to trying to predict the future.

We've all seen top 1st round picks (L Schenn, Gagner, etc.) who haven't panned out, and 2nd and 3rd round picks who've turned into stars, so for me, I'm going to wait to see what Morin does in the next few seasons (hopefully) before placing limits on what he can become.

edit: this, to me, goes for all top prospects, not just Morin.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 16 @ 1:42 PM ET
It doesn't make any sense to limit what a player can be prior to seeing him play at the highest level. Let's see Morin in the NHL for a year or two, at the very least, before raising or lowering our expectations and his apparent ceiling.

Saying what level he can't attain before he gets a few seasons of NHL hockey under his belt is just as silly as setting the bar too high. Of course, one is the more practical approach, but it still all boils down to trying to predict the future.

We've all seen top 1st round picks (L Schenn, Gagner, etc.) who haven't panned out, and 2nd and 3rd round picks who've turned into stars, so for me, I'm going to wait to see what Morin does in the next few seasons (hopefully) before placing limits on what he can become.

edit: this, to me, goes for all top prospects, not just Morin.

- wolfhounds



Luke Schenn is a serviceable NHL caliber defenseman. I understand what you mean by saying he didn't "pan out" when you talk about his projection as a top pair shutdown defenseman like Adam Foote. That was unfair from the very start. And I don't think he ever recovered from those lofty expectations.


He is the poster child for how NOT to develop a high end draft pick.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 16 @ 1:43 PM ET
Anyone watching "The Night Of" right now?
- YuenglingJagr


Oh yeah. Great show. My assumption(s) are coming to life with how the last episode ended.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 1:44 PM ET
Luke Schenn is a serviceable NHL caliber defenseman. I understand what you mean by saying he didn't "pan out" when you talk about his projection as a top pair shutdown defenseman like Adam Foote. That was unfair from the very start. And I don't think he ever recovered from those lofty expectations.


He is the poster child for how NOT to develop a high end draft pick.

- MBFlyerfan

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 16 @ 1:47 PM ET
For me it isn't so much about whether the prospects pan out. I am sure some will.

It's where there is a star or two to be found among them. Can't build a team of vanilla mediocrity that has a strong two way game.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 16 @ 1:57 PM ET
It doesn't make any sense to limit what a player can be prior to seeing him play at the highest level. Let's see Morin in the NHL for a year or two, at the very least, before raising or lowering our expectations and his apparent ceiling.

Saying what level he can't attain before he gets a few seasons of NHL hockey under his belt is just as silly as setting the bar too high. Of course, one is the more practical approach, but it still all boils down to trying to predict the future.

We've all seen top 1st round picks (L Schenn, Gagner, etc.) who haven't panned out, and 2nd and 3rd round picks who've turned into stars, so for me, I'm going to wait to see what Morin does in the next few seasons (hopefully) before placing limits on what he can become.

edit: this, to me, goes for all top prospects, not just Morin.

- wolfhounds

My problem with this whole ceiling concept is that it's fabricated. There's no ceiling be it a high one or a low one. It's based on a wild guess making comparisons to past players of similar abilities at the same level. Every player is an individual. Anything can derail a young players future.

There's every possibility that a player excelling in 2014 at the same position on the same team and in the same league as a dozen other players in the past who all achieved some level of NHL success beyond third line/third pair just doesn't have the mental make up to continue progressing to the pro level. So he never achieved his "ceiling" because his ceiling was actually being a tremendous junior player and decent minor pro. But this players a failure because some former hockey player and his peers decided this kid was going to be a top six NHL forward when he was 17.

You can't go back to know if different paths actually do make a difference. Your stuck with the one that's given you. It's all educated guess work (and not all that educated). Saying someone failed because they were rushed to the next level is just as much guess work as someone saying they never made the show because they were never given a fair shot or spent so much time in the minors that they became a cast off.
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next