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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 16 @ 10:16 AM ET
You have to remember that the money is going to be the same wherever he signs, so it really comes down to other factors. In this kids case, his dad works for the Leafs, his mom is pushing him to sign with Boston (his hometown) and who knows what other factors are playing into. A team like Chicago could have Toews on the phone with him saying why don't you come here and win a Cup, sadly, the Pens could be having Crosby doing the same.

When it comes to Philly, at least right now, they aren't going to be able to make the case that they are a legit Cup contender in 16-17, nor will Hextall or Hak guarantee the kid a top 6 spot, just a chance to earn it in camp, and the kid has no connection of any type to our area.

Philly, IMO, is still a very attractive organization to most NHL players and a place guys want to play, however, I don't think we will be a factor when it comes to this kid.

- BiggE


I wasn't just eluding to Veasey.

I know the money is the same right now.

I think Lyons was smart coming to Philly as I am not sure Stolarz is the future franchise goalie. hell he could get beaten out in the AHL this year by Lyon.


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 10:16 AM ET
You see the 3 articles on the left

1. Flyers comfortable with Schenn contract

2. Panotch "not so sure" Schenn is worth the contract

3. Panotch Schenn will produce

- YuenglingJagr


And somehow, he is considered the top Flyers reporter...
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 16 @ 10:18 AM ET
And somehow, he is considered the top Flyers reporter...
- jmatchett383



Flyers top 3-way* reporter.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 16 @ 10:19 AM ET
Caligula!

And I know the reason pretty much is what BiggE said above

- dragonoffrost


Wasn't Caligula the Flyers guest at the playoff debacle when the fans were throwing the bracelets on the ice?
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 16 @ 10:19 AM ET
You see the 3 articles on the left

1. Flyers comfortable with Schenn contract

2. Panotch "not so sure" Schenn is worth the contract

3. Panotch Schenn will produce

- YuenglingJagr


Panotch is an ass clown
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 10:20 AM ET
I wasn't just eluding to Veasey.

I know the money is the same right now.

I think Lyons was smart coming to Philly as I am not sure Stolarz is the future franchise goalie. hell he could get beaten out in the AHL this year by Lyon.

- J35Bacher


Players coming in an undrafted FAs right now are making the same money no matter what. Their best chance to make money, keeping in mind they're older than most people on their ELC, is to succeed. That's why you saw Panarin go to Chicago; he'll be making over $5M, easily, on his next contract. If he signed with the Flyers, maybe he "only" puts up 45-50 points instead of 77 playing with Kane in Chicago. It's the smart move, especially if you have no loyalty to any team.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 16 @ 10:20 AM ET
+/


Hey at least we never tanked in the past 40 years. Pens fans can't say that and they've filled their 4 cups with tears of tanking and many losses 30 years ago to the flyers

- Just5


True! Cups, schmups.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 16 @ 10:21 AM ET
Ah. Well, if the Flyers don't sign every free agent, they're obviously on the poop list.
- jmatchett383


I'm happy with this teams process. I know it takes time and I know we won't win every person who's name is tied to rumors.

I just think it's funny that everyone wants us in on every free agent when really we can't offer these kids a spot in the top 6 which is what they want. I'd rather we develop the kids we got then go for the quick plug in right now.

And yes my two posts about Caggiula were totally tongue in cheek.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:22 AM ET
I wasn't just eluding to Veasey.

I know the money is the same right now.

I think Lyons was smart coming to Philly as I am not sure Stolarz is the future franchise goalie. hell he could get beaten out in the AHL this year by Lyon.

- J35Bacher


Very possible, people who have seen him play just rave about him.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:22 AM ET
Panotch is an ass clown
- sjk540

x1000000000
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 16 @ 10:23 AM ET
Not saying Veasey is going to be the next 30 goal scorer but it is a little weird you don't see more players interested in Philly. Philly will have money coming off the books and a pipeline of defense prospects. If I was a forward that would interest me. Roster spots are going to be opening and Philly is a big market to play in.

I guess to each their own but I would think Philly should be an attractive place compared to some others mentioned.

- J35Bacher


Caggiula had interest but went to McDavidland; Lyon signed despite heavy competition for the goalie position.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 16 @ 10:26 AM ET
I'm happy with this teams process. I know it takes time and I know we won't win every person who's name is tied to rumors.

I just think it's funny that everyone wants us in on every free agent when really we can't offer these kids a spot in the top 6 which is what they want. I'd rather we develop the kids we got then go for the quick plug in right now.

And yes my two posts about Caggiula were totally tongue in cheek.

- dragonoffrost


I know, I was just kidding.

The Flyers have been one of the most pro-active organizations with undrafted FAs, but the bulk of them become Mike Testwuide and Luke Pither. Even a guy like Ben Holmstrom or Darroll Powe could be considered a success as an undrafted FA. Every now and then you hit on a player like Read who actually has NHL success, but it's far from the norm. Remember all the hype surrounding superstar prospect Danny Dekeyser (who's not a bad player)?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:26 AM ET
So the Eagles acquire a young wide receiver with great size, good speed and a lot of potential for a generic backup offensive lineman?

Odd deal.

http://phieagl.es/2bv3ru7
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 16 @ 10:30 AM ET
So the Eagles acquire a young wide receiver with great size, good speed and a lot of potential for a generic backup offensive lineman?

Odd deal.

http://phieagl.es/2bv3ru7

- BiggE



Green-Becham is a a weird dude. Had a lot of trouble in college. Could be a good wild card but also I worry when teams move players like that. Has talent if he can put it together or could be just another guy.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:31 AM ET
Green-Becham is a a weird dude. Had a lot of trouble in college. Could be a good wild card but also I worry when teams move players like that. Has talent if he can put it together or could be just another guy.
- J35Bacher


True, but I really like the deal, I mean you can always find another Dennis Kelly.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 16 @ 10:32 AM ET
So the Eagles acquire a young wide receiver with great size, good speed and a lot of potential for a generic backup offensive lineman?

Odd deal.

http://phieagl.es/2bv3ru7

- BiggE


I mean that's like the most optimistic way of looking at things...but it is definitely on the lower risk, higher reward spectrum...I like it
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 16 @ 10:33 AM ET
True, but I really like the deal, I mean you can always find another Dennis Kelly.
- BiggE



Exactly.

Its a good risk by the eagles and I am a cowboys fan.

Just like the cowboys going after La'ial Collins even with all the extra stuff going on before the draft.

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 16 @ 10:34 AM ET
True, but I really like the deal, I mean you can always find another Dennis Kelly.
- BiggE


They are certainly thin at WR
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 16 @ 10:34 AM ET
Green-Becham is a a weird dude. Had a lot of trouble in college. Could be a good wild card but also I worry when teams move players like that. Has talent if he can put it together or could be just another guy.
- J35Bacher


He was viewed as a top 10 pick before the trouble he got into. The weed thing doesn't worry me as college can throw that at you. But the domestic violence incident is a tad different. Hopefully he's put that behind him
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 16 @ 10:37 AM ET
Bottom line: Don't get too caught up in the hype over a prospect -- don't tally up the All-Star seasons and awards until they're earned -- and keep the long-term big picture in mind.
- Bill Meltzer


This.

In fact, that sentiment is the main reason I barely pay attention to the draft and prospects, and only peripherally pay attention to the AHL. To be frank, hardly any of them will make the NHL so therefore I really don't care. That's not a slight to the guys who work hard and make a nice sub-NHL career for themselves. Good for them. Big props. Goodness knows I couldn't be a professional athlete. It's just that following at the sub-NHL level isn't something I'm interested in doing.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 16 @ 10:38 AM ET
He was viewed as a top 10 pick before the trouble he got into. The weed thing doesn't worry me as college can throw that at you. But the domestic violence incident is a tad different. Hopefully he's put that behind him
- arichardson22



It's a good deal considering I had no clue how Dennis Kelly was on the Eagles. I thought he was terrible.

But it does make you think why the Titans moved him for a back up below average lineman
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 16 @ 10:38 AM ET
This.

In fact, that sentiment is the main reason I barely pay attention to the draft and prospects, and only peripherally pay attention to the AHL. To be frank, hardly any of them will make the NHL so therefore I really don't care. That's not a slight to the guys who work hard and make a nice sub-NHL career for themselves. Good for them. Big props. Goodness knows I couldn't be a professional athlete. It's just that following at the sub-NHL level isn't something I'm interested in doing.

- Scoob


But, but, then you'll be left out of arguments over why they should have never taken so and so with their 2nd pick in the 6th round!
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Aug 16 @ 10:38 AM ET
I changed my all time favourite movies list.

Jurassic Park
Kingpin
From Dusk Till Dawn
Superbad
The 3 Musketeers (1993)

I'm willing to write this in stone.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 16 @ 10:40 AM ET
But, but, then you'll be left out of arguments over why they should have never taken so and so with their 2nd pick in the 6th round!

- BiggE



I do like the way they seem to be identifying certain skill sets for this team. Good two way guys with size. I think they are building a team that will be hard to play against.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 16 @ 10:41 AM ET
It's a good deal considering I had no clue how Dennis Kelly was on the Eagles. I thought he was terrible.

But it does make you think why the Titans moved him for a back up below average lineman

- J35Bacher


After Demarco Murray's 71 yard TD, maybe the Titans felt bad for us? But who knows. maybe he didn't want to play for them and he was just a headache not worth dealing with
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