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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 16 @ 9:24 AM ET
I feel like they'd be up there if it changes by income per year. 3 Stanley cups, along with one of the largest arenas, and now with those wins a huge fan base.

Just a thought.

- RickJames77

As far as I know, the NHL does not actually release the numbers surrounding revenue sharing, so you'd have to speculate.

There are certain rules, however - like you can't receive revenues if your tv area population is above a certain number.

And keep in mind: the Forbes numbers are educated guesses.
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 16 @ 9:24 AM ET
I feel like they'd be up there if it changes by income per year. 3 Stanley cups, along with one of the largest arenas, and now with those wins a huge fan base.

Just a thought.

- RickJames77

Don't the Hawks have their home games on PPV?
They used to when no one showed up to the games.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Aug 16 @ 9:25 AM ET
I'm going to take a stab. Blackhawks, Leafs, Bruins, Canadiens, Rangers, Flyers?
- RickJames77


Top ten revenue team are in order

NYR
Canadiens
Leafs
Hawks
Bruins
Vancouver
Flyers
Detroit
LA
Capitals


Penguins are #11, skewed by playoff success - team was in bankruptcy not long ago. If you are wondering NJ is #21
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 16 @ 9:25 AM ET
As far as I know, the NHL does not actually release the numbers surrounding revenue sharing, so you'd have to speculate.

There are certain rules, however - like you can't receive revenues if your tv area population is above a certain number.

And keep in mind: the Forbes numbers are educated guesses.

- Atomic Wedgie

I think its if they don't have x amount of season ticket holders.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 16 @ 9:26 AM ET
Don't the Hawks have their home games on PPV?
They used to when no one showed up to the games.

- the_eye

It's a bit of an amazing story - basically the owner of the team died or turned it over to his son (sons?) who started running the team properly.

I remember reading here on Hockeybuzz (and keep in mind I've only been a "member" here for 10 years) that a Chicago fan was offered seats on the glass for a game - because he had signed up to be on their junk email list.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:27 AM ET
But are their ticket prices as high and do they make as much on the local tv deals.
- the_eye

Just off a quick look:

Operating Income 2013/14 (rough numbers. didn't copy and paste)
Rangers: 84
Leafs: 72
Hawks: 51
Bruins: 35
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 16 @ 9:27 AM ET
I think its if they don't have x amount of season ticket holders.
- the_eye

There are various conditions - I'll see if I can google them up.

The funniest one I can remember is that you have to have sold a certain amount of tickets every year to qualify for revenue sharing payments. Nashville was going to fall short, so they bought a wack of tickets from themselves to qualify.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:28 AM ET
Who?
- AdamFrench


You wouldn't know of her.






She's smart
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:29 AM ET
Top ten revenue team are in order

NYR
Canadiens
Leafs
Hawks
Bruins
Vancouver
Flyers
Detroit
LA
Capitals


Penguins are #11, skewed by playoff success - team was in bankruptcy not long ago. If you are wondering NJ is #21

- winsix

Gotta think merch sale in TO have dropped like 75%... When the Leafs are good they easily generate the most revenue.. You'd think the league would suffer when the Leafs suck but its actually the opposite.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 16 @ 9:29 AM ET
Here's the best revenue sharing primer I can find:

http://www.ontheforecheck...sharing-program-explained

RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:29 AM ET
Top ten revenue team are in order

NYR
Canadiens
Leafs
Hawks
Bruins
Vancouver
Flyers
Detroit
LA
Capitals


Penguins are #11, skewed by playoff success - team was in bankruptcy not long ago. If you are wondering NJ is #21

- winsix
seems about right
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:31 AM ET
It's a bit of an amazing story - basically the owner of the team died or turned it over to his son (sons?) who started running the team properly.

I remember reading here on Hockeybuzz (and keep in mind I've only been a "member" here for 10 years) that a Chicago fan was offered seats on the glass for a game - because he had signed up to be on their junk email list.

- Atomic Wedgie


Yeah, Wirtz Snr. died and Wirtz Jr. realised that certain policies such as "if they care about the team they'll pay to come" were based on somewhat flawed logic. Queue up some new local TV deals in addition to having stockpiled a few nice, high picks over the years and they were ready to breakout at just the right time...
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 16 @ 9:31 AM ET
You wouldn't know of her.






She's smart

- lumlums

You're smart too
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
You wouldn't know of her.






She's smart

- lumlums

Who?
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
You're smart too
- the_eye


Yeah, but I very much doubt that an Australian astrophysicist is going to come on by the pages of hockeybuzz... Frenchie knowing of me is just a happy coincidence on his part
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
Just off a quick look:

Operating Income 2013/14 (rough numbers. didn't copy and paste)
Rangers: 84
Leafs: 72
Hawks: 51
Bruins: 35

- RickJames77

Where is Montreal on the list?
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:32 AM ET
[url]
- Fruitcakenipple



someone what to go to Bangcock!.
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Aug 16 @ 9:33 AM ET
You're smart too
- the_eye



I'll take the "under"
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 16 @ 9:33 AM ET
While your statement is true, the best hockey players are generally quite smart. See list from an article on NHL.com
- winsix



Wasn't there a Dr. who played for Edm?? I think i'd put him at the top of the list if the list was real.

the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 16 @ 9:34 AM ET
Gotta think merch sale in TO have dropped like 75%... When the Leafs are good they easily generate the most revenue.. You'd think the league would suffer when the Leafs suck but its actually the opposite.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Merchandise is a league revenue that they all share equally.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:34 AM ET
Where is Montreal on the list?
- the_eye

I googled those teams individually because we were talking about them. One sec, I'll check.

Edit: place I'm looking (statista if you want to check it out, but am not sure how accurate it is) says 91.3 Million.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:34 AM ET
I'll take the "under"
- .HOHO.


Yeah, I took the same route on your girlfriend!
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Aug 16 @ 9:36 AM ET
Merchandise is a league revenue that they all share equally.
- the_eye

Then my point stands...

If the Leafs sell more merch its better for the league.. But they need to be good for people to buy poop..

Has anyone here actually bought a jersey in the last 5 years?


Also i feel like hatred for the Leafs is also a major money maker. Every league needs a villian.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:38 AM ET
Then my point stands...

If the Leafs sell more merch its better for the league.. But they need to be good for people to buy poop..

Has anyone here actually bought a jersey in the last 5 years?


Also i feel like hatred for the Leafs is also a major money maker. Every league needs a villian.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

I see your point. But I have a feeling you'll be somewhat surprised by how many people still buy stuff, when their teams are struggling.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Aug 16 @ 9:39 AM ET
Wasn't there a Dr. who played for Edm?? I think i'd put him at the top of the list if the list was real.
- Garnie



he's in socal now.
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