Is anyone concerned that a guy who hasn't skated in the NHL yet is already worrying about his 2nd contract?
- DMCsPulledHammy

yeah, it's like talking about Drew LeBlanc's second contract already,,,

To answer someone's earlier question on how the process would take place.

Below is one of his agents recent comments.

This sounds like the Hawks Dog & Pony show will have to put a leash on Kane and hand it to Toews and the can walk in the door to meet him with Stan, Jay and maybe even Rocky...
Like the recent BALLERS episode," Where's the Love?"

Well I put enough guys in the room that the kid feels major love.

“I assume to be honest that there may be some teams that anticipate that he would be a free agent and perhaps find their way into the city of Boston just because of the anticipation of what could happen,” Fish said.

Is anyone concerned that a guy who hasn't skated in the NHL yet is already worrying about his 2nd contract?
- DMCsPulledHammy

I doubt he is "worrying" about his next contract. If you were 23 and had more than half the companies in your industry interested in you, you would be silly not to evaluate everything for the best overall situation. Your boss, the management, your co-workers, opportunities for advancement, and having an environment to achieve your personal and group goals.

Smart move in my eyes.

Check out Jimmy Vesey playing with pros at the Foxboro Summer League.
www.thehockeyshow.net

Saad was really good. And got shipped out.

If he is worried about his second contract and if he will still be on the team he chooses now, Chicago is more of a question mark than other places. And with so many big cap players it will remain that way as long as they are there. So for a while.
- carcus

Depends on what he asked the Hawks for if his demands were out of line then he should have known he was gone I believe saad and his agent didn't except stan would have a trade done that fast and we're hoping for an offer sheet to push Stan into more monet

Saad was really good. And got shipped out.

If he is worried about his second contract and if he will still be on the team he chooses now, Chicago is more of a question mark than other places. And with so many big cap players it will remain that way as long as they are there. So for a while.
- carcus

don't anyone kid themselves about "winning" being important for these young guys.
it is a business, and after the shock of being traded, I am sure saad feels pretty good about those 6 million shekels in his pants.
if I am this kid, I see saad, panarin, shaw, frolik, brouwer, bolland, et al, and I play for two years here and get my picture in the paper with 19, 81, 88, and 2, and show all teams that I am a winner... for contract dos. I might even win a cup.

In 2 years, Hossa will likely be retired plus the cap will increase while the Hawks have a plethora of their top guys under contract at a constant AAV.

WIZ: how does Vesey compare to Saadfather, if at all?
- Assman22

The 'Hawks would be screwed on re-capture penalty upon retirement or trade. If Hoss leaves, it'd have to be LTIR.

And there is no guarantee the cap will go up. Not saying the players will refuse the escalator, but HRR may just not cut it, economy could further tank, oil prices plummet, etc.

In an ideal world, Hoss plays out his deal and rides off to the sunset at age 42. More near term, HRR grows very well and we have an $85M cap for '18-'19. Both are a long shot. Plus I am not sure Hoss will play most, let alone all of those four-$1M seasons.

And even if the 'Hawks cannot afford him after his ELC, they will trade his RFA rights for as much as they can get for said rights. That's later, and a lot can change in two seasons. For now, the 16-17 season, the 'Hawks are maximizing potential with limited financial resources.
- blackhawk24

In no way do I question the Hawks going after Vesey as it makes good sense what I wonder is if Vesey thinks that's best for him.

Just the thought of trading his RFA rights for as much as they can get, Saad, is a major concern for those who think Vesey will sign with the Hawks.

Kid wants as much of the pie as he can get, and should, and playing his RFA years where he chooses would logically be a priority. In other words he wants to go where he wants to go not who will give the Hawks the most for his rights.

Who knows what the Hawks may be able to sell to Vesey? Maybe they tell him when he asks about a Saad scenario that they will accept a list of 5-6 teams from him that they will agree to deal him to if they themselves can't sign him after his ELC is up.

That's reasonable IMO cuz he didn't cost the Hawks anything. That they would deal him to a team of his choice after his ELC if need be.

I doubt he is "worrying" about his next contract. If you were 23 and had more than half the companies in your industry interested in you, you would be silly not to evaluate everything for the best overall situation. Your boss, the management, your co-workers, opportunities for advancement, and having an environment to achieve your personal and group goals.

Smart move in my eyes.
- Chunk

Yes, 'worrying' is probably the wrong word for his second deal. It really is him setting himself up to maximize that second deal.

Saad is an example of being drafted at the right time, signed by the right team and winning two titles in three seasons. $6M x 6-yrs is pretty close to what the 'Hawks would had to go to if they had the cap space. Lotsa things went very well for Saad in the span from the 2011 draft to just before 2015 FA.

In no way do I question the Hawks going after Vesey as it makes good sense what I wonder is if Vesey thinks that's best for him.

Just the thought of trading his RFA rights for as much as they can get, Saad, is a major concern for those who think Vesey will sign with the Hawks.

Kid wants as much of the pie as he can get, and should, and playing his RFA years where he chooses would logically be a priority. In other words he wants to go where he wants to go not who will give the Hawks the most for his rights.

Who knows what the Hawks may be able to sell to Vesey? Maybe they tell him when he asks about a Saad scenario that they will accept a list of 5-6 teams from him that they will agree to deal him to if they themselves can't sign him after his ELC is up.

That's reasonable IMO cuz he didn't cost the Hawks anything. That they would deal him to a team of his choice after his ELC if need be.
- Mr Ricochet

THAT is a good point.

Yes, 'worrying' is probably the wrong word for his second deal. It really is him setting himself up to maximize that second deal.

Saad is an example of being drafted at the right time, signed by the right team and winning two titles in three seasons. $6M x 6-yrs is pretty close to what the 'Hawks would had to go to if they had the cap space. Lotsa things went very well for Saad in the span from the 2011 draft to just before 2015 FA.
- blackhawk24

Not just how much on his second deal, but where:

I would think the issue would be Vesey wanting to go to the team now that he would likely sign a good second contract with, instead of having to be traded or signing an offer sheet to get the deal he'd be looking for.

In no way do I question the Hawks going after Vesey as it makes good sense what I wonder is if Vesey thinks that's best for him.

Just the thought of trading his RFA rights for as much as they can get, Saad, is a major concern for those who think Vesey will sign with the Hawks.

Kid wants as much of the pie as he can get, and should, and playing his RFA years where he chooses would logically be a priority. In other words he wants to go where he wants to go not who will give the Hawks the most for his rights.

Who knows what the Hawks may be able to sell to Vesey? Maybe they tell him when he asks about a Saad scenario that they will accept a list of 5-6 teams from him that they will agree to deal him to if they themselves can't sign him after his ELC is up.

That's reasonable IMO cuz he didn't cost the Hawks anything. That they would deal him to a team of his choice after his ELC if need be.
- Mr Ricochet

If he's as good as he seems to think he is, he'd be thinking - I can make it anywhere - I don't want to have to move to get a good second contract.

I'm going where I'm most likely to sign that good 2nd deal.

If Vesey wants to get paid, Chicago is the smart choice. So many players have come up with the Hawks in recent years and gotten big paydays to stay or have been traded out and gotten great contracts. Playing for the Hawks is great exposure and if the Hawks can continue to be successful it is a smart way to raise one's value for a contract.

Vesey could be a bust like Drew LeBlanc, but he does looks like more of the real deal and has had a bit more success that Drew did, doing it a year younger too. People may be over-hyping him, but I'm sure the Hawks (if they do land him) know what they are getting, more or less. One thing that seems clear, if he does sign in Chicago he will get more than the 2 game look that LeBlanc did.

As for Hossa, there is a decent chance he could be done after this season. I'm sure some of that will depend on how he plays and what the team accomplishes this season, but 4 million over 4 years at the end was clearly setup as "retirement" time when the contract was signed.

The Hawks "might" have to move someone to sign Panarin, but they might not. Nobody yet has a clue where the cap will land and it is way too early to tell what other changes might happen before next off season.

Way too early to tell for sure what will happen, but damn we need some excitement. Can't wait for this season to start.

Problem: It's St. Louis (and I'm a born and raised Chicagoan who live in and like St. Louis), and the cityscape, restaurants and glamour of Chicago (at least certain trendy parts), combined with playing with the historic Hawks' core, tip all scales to him signing with the Hawks. I doubt he goes the more pressurized route of signing with his hometown Bruins, since he provided that SB gives a verbal commitment to do whatever is necessary to allow him to sign with the Bruins at the end of his ELC, if he then wants to do so. As to signing with the Blues : No Chance.

Think this is my second ever post about Vesey and it's about the same thing. Anyone knows the Hawks have bled talent due to the flat (earth) cap and to answer your question the Hawks let a kid go who had a much much higher upside than Vesey in Saad...... When faced with the same situation that will occur with Vesey, should he become a Hawk, they moved the talented kid (Saad) to COLUMBUS. Saad had zero say so or leverage in where he would be moved to and he landed in Columbus.

Admittedly if this happened it would be a few years down the road from the Saad situation, does StanBow recalibrate the core and move a Crow or Seabs, but Vesey has to see the precedent of what no leverage looks like in a cap hell environment.

The kid has already shown he'll use every bit of leverage to allow him as much leverage as he can get. Signing with the Hawks gives all that leverage away with a very real possibility the Hawks can't give him a big second contract and will move him to a Columbus type.

He's approached this as a business man not a wide eyed kid.
- Mr Ricochet

Stan gives a verbal commitment to let him sign where he wants after his EFC (including Hawks). Stan would live up to his word, whatever decision and without compensation, if necessary. SB establishes and reinforces trust agents have in him, increasing chances for future similar deals with other FAs.

Stan gives a verbal commitment to let him sign where he wants after his EFC (including Hawks). Stan would live up to his word, whatever decision and without compensation, if necessary. SB establishes and reinforces trust agents have in him, increasing chances for future similar deals with other FAs.
- BMWChiFan

And, by the way, Hawks fill their LW hole for the next two years to again make serious runs at the Cup, at a cost they can afford.

If he's as good as he seems to think he is, he'd be thinking - I can make it anywhere - I don't want to have to move to get a good second contract.

I'm going where I'm most likely to sign that good 2nd deal.
- StLBravesFan

I agree with this and never thought the Hawks were seen by Vesey as able to sign him after his ELC. The Hawks may have other plans and show Vesey a path to becoming a Hawk after his ELC but with Panarin priority 1 and a lot of shuffling to get him signed to me Vesey is a long shot.

But the chance to play with Toews, Hossa, Kane, Panarin, Keith, Seabs, Hammer and under a HOF coach has to make anyone think long and hard about it, especially a kid.

I don't know....the kid hasn't played a minute in a professional game and we treat him like he's the second coming of Patrick Kane. I just hope that the contract we give him doesn't screw us down the road with the likes of Panarin and such. Honestly rather go with a sure thing like Hudler, but then again, Bowman has made me eat my words at some point in every off-season he's been in office so i hope this turns into a low-risk high-reward signing.

Less Mashinter means a happier fan base, so whatever keeps that man in a suit in the press box im all for it.

In no way do I question the Hawks going after Vesey as it makes good sense what I wonder is if Vesey thinks that's best for him.

Just the thought of trading his RFA rights for as much as they can get, Saad, is a major concern for those who think Vesey will sign with the Hawks.

Kid wants as much of the pie as he can get, and should, and playing his RFA years where he chooses would logically be a priority. In other words he wants to go where he wants to go not who will give the Hawks the most for his rights.

Who knows what the Hawks may be able to sell to Vesey? Maybe they tell him when he asks about a Saad scenario that they will accept a list of 5-6 teams from him that they will agree to deal him to if they themselves can't sign him after his ELC is up.

That's reasonable IMO cuz he didn't cost the Hawks anything. That they would deal him to a team of his choice after his ELC if need be.
- Mr Ricochet

Even if the Hawks ended up with NOTHING, they would have cheaply filled their biggest hole for the next two years!

I don't know....the kid hasn't played a minute in a professional game and we treat him like he's the second coming of Patrick Kane. I just hope that the contract we give him doesn't screw us down the road with the likes of Panarin and such. Honestly rather go with a sure thing like Hudler, but then again, Bowman has made me eat my words at some point in every off-season he's been in office so i hope this turns into a low-risk high-reward signing.

Less Mashinter means a happier fan base, so whatever keeps that man in a suit in the press box im all for it.
- chitownfan92

well, at least like the second coming of Brandon Saad. He's worth the risk because the potential reward is high. Put him next to 19 and 88 for a couple of years and he'll be jump-starting his NHL career. If he has the talent, he'll succeed. It'd be a great story and win-win all around.

Maybe they tell him when he asks about a Saad scenario that they will accept a list of 5-6 teams from him that they will agree to deal him to if they themselves can't sign him after his ELC is up.
- Mr Ricochet

No NHL GM is ever going to make this deal with some young player.

It sets a dangerous precedent, that places power in the hands of the player(s).

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No NHL GM is ever going to make this deal with some young player.

It sets a dangerous precedent, that places power in the hands of the player(s).
- wiz1901

Garf is already talking about Murray using the Pegula private jet to pick up Veseys parents to fly them to Buffalo for games

Ya.... way to destroy a team dynamic. Lets show a tonne of preferential treatment to a guy who's never played an NHL game in his life

OT but this may be my last time coming to this site. had to reload this page at least 12 times before it stopped hijacking my browser. so damn frustrating.

In all honesty, I do not think this is a business decision. I don't think this kid cares about his next contract, I don't think that he gives a crap where the team projects, or who he plays with. He wants to be a Boston bruin.

He loves hockey. This kid grew up shooting pucks at a garage door in a Boston bruins Jersey. Hes a rare talent that has the opportunity to pick where he wants to play. And it's going to be Boston.

Just a feeling.