Again, I'll ask the question, if he is that good, and performs well enough to get a big deal after his two years in Chicago, why do you assume that 2 years from now they would move him and not someone else?

A lot changes in a couple years, if you don't think so, look at the roster two years ago today
- vabeachbear

Agreed Bear and to keep Panarin they have to move a Crow or Seabs and that's before they get to inking Vesey for a big contract. So if they spin the chamber of the 44 Magnum to keep Panarin they'll have to do it again to keep Vesey.

So they move a Seabs and Crow to sign Panarin and Vesey?

I think both of are equal importance, but it's the second part that might make him leery of signing with Chicago, in that he could end up in the same situation as Saad was and have no say about where he goes.
- kingcong39

Or Stan says Jimmy, come play for us and maximize your scoring totals and if it comes to the point where we can't afford your second contract, you have my word we'll trade you to the team of your choice.

Again, I'll ask the question, if he is that good, and performs well enough to get a big deal after his two years in Chicago, why do you assume that 2 years from now they would move him and not someone else?

A lot changes in a couple years, if you don't think so, look at the roster two years ago today
- vabeachbear

Saad was really good. And got shipped out.

If he is worried about his second contract and if he will still be on the team he chooses now, Chicago is more of a question mark than other places. And with so many big cap players it will remain that way as long as they are there. So for a while.

Agreed Bear and to keep Panarin they have to move a Crow or Seabs and that's before they get to inking Vesey for a big contract. So if they spin the chamber of the 44 Magnum to keep Panarin they'll have to do it again to keep Vesey.

So they move a Seabs and Crow to sign Panarin and Vesey?
- Mr Ricochet

I'm not picking guys at this point, because, two years from now things could be much different.

Hossa, reinjures his back and goes on a Pronger LTIR, probably enough to sign Vesey without moving anyone.

Seabs gets another concussion after the ones he's had, goes on Pronger LTIR, probably enough to sign Panarin.

CC could be moved. Kruger could be moved, Panarin could get traded for a ton.

I'm not wishing injury on anyone, or advocating moving this player or that player, I'm just merely pointing out that over a two year period lots of things can change.

Also, I'll add in answer to your Saad scenario, and I've only seen Vesey play once or twice on TV (I don't watch highlight videos, I feel into that trap with Dano!) think its a pretty big reach to predict Vesey to be where Saad was after the '15 cup, just sayin.

Don't get your hopes up. He's not going to Chicago. It'll be Boston or Toronto - that hasn't changed

Saad was really good. And got shipped out.

If he is worried about his second contract and if he will still be on the team he chooses now, Chicago is more of a question mark than other places. And with so many big cap players it will remain that way as long as they are there. So for a while.
- carcus

Using your logic, I could argue then that going to a team not as good as the hawks, where he might not show as well, there will be no monster second contract.

All these sabres fans, come on really, get serious, look at that roster and argue they are even a .500 team.

Ya, he could get a big deal on a second contract on a crap team............yipee

As one of my grad-school prof's used to say, ".....therefore it is intuitively obvious". His ELC is capped, even bonuses, correct?

So then it comes down to this: With which team can he shine the greatest during his ELC? Therefore, it is intuitively obvious that team is the Chicago Blackhawks. Period.
- blackhawk24

And the 2nd, 3rd, and subsequent contracts will take care of themselves. There are ex-Hawks all over the league who have done very nicely after their exposures via this team.

Don't get your hopes up. He's not going to Chicago. It'll be Boston or Toronto - that hasn't changed
- AxlRose91

Well at least that settles it.

For a player being this selective about where he will go will not select the Hawks. Yes the Hawks are a contender thanks to Buffalo's Patty Kane, however, the Hawks will have to send Vessy away next year or year after because they cannot afford a contract larger than ELC. This means when he selects Chicago he could be sending himself to a market he does not want to be and can say nothing. Secondly, Hawks cannot not give him TOI, to deep. This means his stats will not be as high to pump his second contract. Lastly, he could have signed with Nashville and had a similar playoff experience as the Hawks. He doesn't want to play in the West and Cup Contender is not important as he had both in Nashville. He plays at home for the Bruins or he plays in Buffalo with his buds on a growing Team that gives him TOI in all situations and have the opportunity to play against his home team several times a year. Oh yeah, and if Boston or Buffalo, that is where he will stay as they have the cap room to keep him.
- CrossBarDown

Buffalo will get enough top picks because they are far from a contending team, with very questionable goaltending and defense.
Sure they like the Islanders and Terry Pegula's wallet have the money for the re-ups....but does he win a Cup there because of all of it.

This is the first time I have seen a fan begrudge the Draft as taking THEIR hometown player away.

You think Kane wants to come there and "build towrads a Cup?"

If Jack Eichel had his druthers he wouldn't want to be theri either.

And the 2nd, 3rd, and subsequent contracts will take care of themselves. There are ex-Hawks all over the league who have done very nicely after their exposures via this team.
- 67hawks

DARN RIGHT!

If he is that good they will launch others to keep him, and so far that has been the way things run...but how many goals has Vesey scored in the NHL already?

So cool your jets with the additional years.
...on him or any young prospect.

Drew LeBlanc

I'm not picking guys at this point, because, two years from now things could be much different.

Hossa, reinjures his back and goes on a Pronger LTIR, probably enough to sign Vesey without moving anyone.

Seabs gets another concussion after the ones he's had, goes on Pronger LTIR, probably enough to sign Panarin.

CC could be moved. Kruger could be moved, Panarin could get traded for a ton.

I'm not wishing injury on anyone, or advocating moving this player or that player, I'm just merely pointing out that over a two year period lots of things can change.

Also, I'll add in answer to your Saad scenario, and I've only seen Vesey play once or twice on TV (I don't watch highlight videos, I feel into that trap with Dano!) think its a pretty big reach to predict Vesey to be where Saad was after the '15 cup, just sayin.
- vabeachbear

Hossa has made too much money in his career to risk his body for $1M per year. He will be Robidas'd. His cap space will be used on the new wave.

Using your logic, I could argue then that going to a team not as good as the hawks, where he might not show as well, there will be no monster second contract.

All these sabres fans, come on really, get serious, look at that roster and argue they are even a .500 team.

Ya, he could get a big deal on a second contract on a crap team............yipee
- vabeachbear

Sabres fans need to stop living in a fantasy world because is almost definitely not signing with them. They've had his rights for nearly two months, met with him and still haven't signed him. If they haven't signed him now, they aren't signing him after August 15 either.

Don't get your hopes up. He's not going to Chicago. It'll be Boston or Toronto - that hasn't changed
- AxlRose91

I think there is a rose placed squaurely in the axe hole in your head, axe hole.

I think they are REAL options.

Don't get your hopes up. He's not going to Chicago. It'll be Boston or Toronto - that hasn't changed
- AxlRose91

Guess we should all just go away and shut down this thread.

Buffalo will get enough top picks because they are far from a contending team, with very questionable goaltending and defense.
Sure they like the Islanders and Terry Pegula's wallet have the money for the re-ups....but does he win a Cup there because of all of it.

This is the first time I have seen a fan begrudge the Draft as taking THEIR hometown player away.

You think Kane wants to come there and "build towrads a Cup?"

If Jack Eichel had his druthers he wouldn't want to be theri either.
- wiz1901

Well then thankfully Eichel doesn't have his druthers

Sabres fans need to stop living in a fantasy world because is almost definitely not signing with them. They've had his rights for nearly two months, met with him and still haven't signed him. If they haven't signed him now, they aren't signing him after August 15 either.
- golfbard

You ever consider that the kid backed out on Nashville so he could test free agency regardless of who acquired his rights. You might be right but thankfully this will all be over in a couple days and then we can find out if the kid can actually play

Serious answer....Chicago didn't win the cup last.
- druryisclutch

I know they didnt. Maybe i should have used the words pittsburg. You got the point though right? Or maybe not.

Agreed Bear and to keep Panarin they have to move a Crow or Seabs and that's before they get to inking Vesey for a big contract. So if they spin the chamber of the 44 Magnum to keep Panarin they'll have to do it again to keep Vesey.

So they move a Seabs and Crow to sign Panarin and Vesey?
- Mr Ricochet

Agreed........this probably will be the last year of the current "CORE" of Keith, Seabs, Kane, Toews, Crawford,Hjalmarsson, and Hossa. I think that 2 of these will have to be moved to clear space for youth. It's a business decision but the biggest problem IMO is.......who will want Crawford ?? Yes he's a CUP winner and proven top quality Goaltender, yet he doesn't seem to get the respect that the "elite" do. My question is....... does anybody have an update on Core Price in Montreal ??? Just a speculation here that if he continue to has injury issues, I'm sure that CC would not veto a move there. Thoughts ??

Using your logic, I could argue then that going to a team not as good as the hawks, where he might not show as well, there will be no monster second contract.

All these sabres fans, come on really, get serious, look at that roster and argue they are even a .500 team.

Ya, he could get a big deal on a second contract on a crap team............yipee
- vabeachbear

How many years were the hawks below .500 team before they drafted better talent? Let me guess...none. Theyve always been that good huh?

I'm not picking guys at this point, because, two years from now things could be much different.

Hossa, reinjures his back and goes on a Pronger LTIR, probably enough to sign Vesey without moving anyone.

Seabs gets another concussion after the ones he's had, goes on Pronger LTIR, probably enough to sign Panarin.

CC could be moved. Kruger could be moved, Panarin could get traded for a ton.

I'm not wishing injury on anyone, or advocating moving this player or that player, I'm just merely pointing out that over a two year period lots of things can change.

Also, I'll add in answer to your Saad scenario, and I've only seen Vesey play once or twice on TV (I don't watch highlight videos, I feel into that trap with Dano!) think its a pretty big reach to predict Vesey to be where Saad was after the '15 cup, just sayin.
- vabeachbear

Agreed the Hawks could, and I would add I hope, look differently in 3 years than they do today. As you point out there are a lot of ifs that could happen but I'm guessing Vesey is more calculating than to rely on 2-3-4 ifs to get his cash and realizes he gives away the leverage he has once he signs.

I'm only looking at this from Vesey's eyes and admit I've spent maybe 5 minutes thinking about it for what it's worth. It seems IF he's good enough to merit a big contract with the Hawks, and remember he's starting his ELC as a 23-24 yr old not a 20-21 yr old, he sees the Saad situation as his future.

Now the Hawks may have other plans and an answer to Vesey should he ask what is different from the Saad scenario and mine. If I'm Vesey that might be my first question should he even talk to the Hawks.

You ever consider that the kid backed out on Nashville so he could test free agency regardless of who acquired his rights. You might be right but thankfully this will all be over in a couple days and then we can find out if the kid can actually play
- mattmoulson

I dont think he wants to test free agency rather he is using the rules in place to go where he wants to go. The money is the same everywhere. Now its a matter of where he wants to play. If he wanted to be in Buffalo he would have signed.

Agreed........this probably will be the last year of the current "CORE" of Keith, Seabs, Kane, Toews, Crawford,Hjalmarsson, and Hossa. I think that 2 of these will have to be moved to clear space for youth. It's a business decision but the biggest problem IMO is.......who will want Crawford ?? Yes he's a CUP winner and proven top quality Goaltender, yet he doesn't seem to get the respect that the "elite" do. My question is....... does anybody have an update on Core Price in Montreal ??? Just a speculation here that if he continue to has injury issues, I'm sure that CC would not veto a move there. Thoughts ??
- Hawkytalk

My numbers may be off a tad but over the last 3-4 years Crow is a top 5 guy in 5 on 5 save percentage, then add the cups. He still doesn't get the respect guys like Quick have but it's changing fast and in a big way...... Writers and fans were, and are to an extent, lagging in giving Crow respect but there can't be anyone who earns an NHL paycheck who hasn't for the last 5 years. He's elite to those who matter.

The problem with moving Crow is guys like Bishop and MAF are on the market. It's not that Crow isn't a top tier goalie it's that the timing to move a goalie is bad.

How many years were the hawks below .500 team before they drafted better talent? Let me guess...none. Theyve always been that good huh?
- Doug50

No in fact they really really sucked for a long time.

But in this case, one really has nothing to do with the other.

Looking at this only from the point of view of Vesey and a second contract. My opinion, is his talents, whatever they are will be maximized better in Chicago than in Buffalo over the next two years, and thus, get a better second contract.

Could he get the same contract playing for Buffalo now? My opinion, that's more of a risk. No, I don't believe Buffalo will be a playoff team in either one of the next two years with or without Vesey, my opinion, you can disagree.

And the point about staying where he signs his ELC for his second contract, well you assumption is that Buffalo will be to a level that the Hawks are now in a couple years. Again, my opinion, but I don't see it.

He could pick Buffalo on Tuesday I guess, just doesn't make sense to me that he'd wait then sign with them when he could have for months now.

My numbers may be off a tad but over the last 3-4 years Crow is a top 5 guy in 5 on 5 save percentage, then add the cups. He still doesn't get the respect guys like Quick have but it's changing fast and in a big way...... Writers and fans were, and are to an extent, lagging in giving Crow respect but there can't be anyone who earns an NHL paycheck who hasn't for the last 5 years. He's elite to those who matter.

The problem with moving Crow is guys like Bishop and MAF are on the market. It's not that Crow isn't a top tier goalie it's that the timing to move a goalie is bad.
- Mr Ricochet

Bishop is always injured, and one of these times, that hamstring is going to get ripped off the bone.

MAF, well, not much I can add to that other than he is MAF

I wouldn't be worried about those two causing any issues with moving CC to a team who wants a solid top of the league Goalie.

And the 2nd, 3rd, and subsequent contracts will take care of themselves. There are ex-Hawks all over the league who have done very nicely after their exposures via this team.
- 67hawks

Agreed, but all of those moved had little to no say so where they were going when the Hawks moved them. That's where the situation is different with Vesey, he has leverage right now but loses it once he signs with ANYONE (ELC then RFA). My guess is he wants the best of all worlds. He wants to play with a good/great team, have a chance at top 6 minutes, win and then be paid in a city he wants to be long term.

If that's the Hawks they need to show him a path where he can be paid when the time comes, if he's the goods.