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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 11 @ 5:29 PM ET


Cody Franson's a much better D right?

- Garnie

No. Franson is the typical 3rd pair 2nd pp unit D man that needs to be sheltered in order to have a positive impact.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 11 @ 5:30 PM ET
I agree. I think if he is more of a second pairing guy, that will be much better, but unfortunately Murray has signed too many players to too long/expensive contracts (Stoner/Bieksa/Despres).

I wish we could keep Fowler, but he will fetch the most return. I'd prefer the Ducks go with:

Lindholm / Manson
Fowler / Vats
Theodore / Despres

But with Bieksa's NMC, we are stuck...for now.

- CptAhab

Fowler did have his best underlying numbers over the past 3 seasons in the time he was paired with Vatanen.
Gomey
Location: glendale, AZ
Joined: 12.09.2015

Aug 11 @ 5:40 PM ET
James, In one blog you write how exciting the Coyotes will be this year. How John Chayka has made such great moves. Now this blog you write half the team are weak or terrible. It seems like you're trolling. But that cant be what your doing. I don't see any logic in doing this. You are a blogger for this team, whether you like it or not.
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Aug 11 @ 5:56 PM ET
James, In one blog you write how exciting the Coyotes will be this year. How John Chayka has made such great moves. Now this blog you write half the team are weak or terrible. It seems like you're trolling. But that cant be what your doing. I don't see any logic in doing this. You are a blogger for this team, weather you like it or not.
- Gomey

Sunny and hot...
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 11 @ 5:56 PM ET
James, In one blog you write how exciting the Coyotes will be this year. How John Chayka has made such great moves. Now this blog you write half the team are weak or terrible. It seems like you're trolling. But that cant be what your doing. I don't see any logic in doing this. You are a blogger for this team, weather you like it or not.
- Gomey

Dude he is suggesting the Yotes go after the bargain bin UFA forwards still out there to improve the lack of forward depth.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 11 @ 6:14 PM ET
I agree. I think if he is more of a second pairing guy, that will be much better, but unfortunately Murray has signed too many players to too long/expensive contracts (Stoner/Bieksa/Despres).

I wish we could keep Fowler, but he will fetch the most return. I'd prefer the Ducks go with:

Lindholm / Manson
Fowler / Vats
Theodore / Despres

But with Bieksa's NMC, we are stuck...for now.

- CptAhab

He could probably be a solid #2 if he had a partner that drove possession and wasn't relied on for D zone starts.

It's funny to me how guys like Fowler becomes a punchline just because he never turned out to be a star. Reminds me of how people treated Myers in Buffalo, or how people are starting to treat Ristolainen.
Gomey
Location: glendale, AZ
Joined: 12.09.2015

Aug 11 @ 6:15 PM ET
The bargain bin is crap. Brad Boyes, Tanguay! The Yotes should and probably will bring up Strome, Dvorak and Perlini. Why Brad Boyes? Who could he replace?
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Aug 11 @ 6:24 PM ET
James, In one blog you write how exciting the Coyotes will be this year. How John Chayka has made such great moves. Now this blog you write half the team are weak or terrible. It seems like you're trolling. But that cant be what your doing. I don't see any logic in doing this. You are a blogger for this team, whether you like it or not.
- Gomey


um... yes?
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 11 @ 6:57 PM ET
No. Franson is the typical 3rd pair 2nd pp unit D man that needs to be sheltered in order to have a positive impact.
- Feds91Stammer



Hero chart says otherwise when compared to Fowler
Frank_Grimes
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Because I'm Homer Simpson, PA
Joined: 08.05.2011

Aug 11 @ 6:58 PM ET
You are a (frank)ing tool who clearly does not watch or follow Ducks hockey. A few weeks back it was how terrible Bob Murray has been as a GM. Now it is Fowler. Stop (frank)ing commenting on our players or organization you piece of poop
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 11 @ 7:00 PM ET
You are a (frank)ing tool who clearly does not watch or follow Ducks hockey. A few weeks back it was how terrible Bob Murray has been as a GM. Now it is Fowler. Stop (frank)ing commenting on our players or organization you piece of poop
- Frank_Grimes


dont you dare talk to my best friend like that, so youre sorry right meow
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 11 @ 7:09 PM ET
He could probably be a solid #2 if he had a partner that drove possession and wasn't relied on for D zone starts.

It's funny to me how guys like Fowler becomes a punchline just because he never turned out to be a star. Reminds me of how people treated Myers in Buffalo, or how people are starting to treat Ristolainen.

- sbroads24



I wouldn't put too much stock into what some say about hockey/hockey players.
Vanoxy
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!!!!
Joined: 06.26.2014

Aug 11 @ 7:49 PM ET
Yep.

Totally not like ROy to quit when he doesn't get his way...

Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 11 @ 8:13 PM ET
Yep.

Totally not like ROy to quit when he doesn't get his way...


- Vanoxy



Roy's always been a putz.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Aug 11 @ 11:03 PM ET
Really, James? JVR for Fowler is terrible for the Leafs?

You obviously haven't watched Fowler very often. There is no way JVR lands you a defenseman like Fowler.

- Bruiniak


wut
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Aug 12 @ 5:17 AM ET
Still judging players soley on their HERO charts I see. Analytics are fine and all that but they really do not tell the whole story. You need to know the game a little bit too.
Having said that I still can't believe Tampa traded Deangelo to the Coyotes. I saw him play in Sarnia many times and he is a very dynamic talent. If someone gives him a chance he will be a great player. I can say the exact same sentence about Chychrun actually too. Somehow the Coyotes traded their way into 2 great dmen.
Dollars2Donuts
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.30.2015

Aug 12 @ 5:49 AM ET
2 quick points....

First off, we see another typical 'Tanner Flip' in this post. Three weeks ago DeAngelo was a 'lock' to make the team two weeks ago 'DeAngelo has almost no shot to make the opening day roster' and now today....DeAngelo is back in there with a great shot to make the team.

My head swims reading this...what is it Tanner? Hello?

Secondly, Tanner's stats are applicable here in Fowler's case and frankly, they show me exactly what u would have expected to see watching him play. His 5v5 scoring was terrible last year and he kept being spoonfed the best PP minutes. In my opinion, Lumpy should have been getting those minutes.....hopefully Fowler moves on and we see Lumpy get the opportunity to bring his offensive contributions up to par with his defensive contributions.

James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Aug 12 @ 8:05 AM ET
No. Franson is the typical 3rd pair 2nd pp unit D man that needs to be sheltered in order to have a positive impact.
- Feds91Stammer


I like Franson more than that. I think he gets a bad rap, he's pretty much always put up the stats of a first line player. His shot suppression and possession numbers are always 1st line worthy at least. The fact that he shots right and can run a PP is even better.

I still maintain he's one of the most underappreciated, quietly excellent players in the NHL. And he's better than Cam Fowler by a degree that is hard to express without sounding hyperbolic.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Aug 12 @ 8:08 AM ET
James, In one blog you write how exciting the Coyotes will be this year. How John Chayka has made such great moves. Now this blog you write half the team are weak or terrible. It seems like you're trolling. But that cant be what your doing. I don't see any logic in doing this. You are a blogger for this team, whether you like it or not.
- Gomey


I don't get how anyone can take this from what I wrote. The Coyotes are young and exciting. Also, out of the 11 forwards they currently have signed for next year who aren't on ECL contracts, at least five of them are (for one reason or another) terrible options.

Their defense is still kind of a mess.

This doesn't in any way contradict them being young, exciting and fun to watch. Nor does it contradict that Chakya has done good so far.

Maloney may have left the cupboards well-stocked, but he left the current NHL team in a mess. And while the Coyotes will be fun to watch, they have a lot of work to do at the NHL level to get better.

Finally, those bargain basement guys I mentioned are excellent, cheap players.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Aug 12 @ 8:17 AM ET
The bargain bin is crap. Brad Boyes, Tanguay! The Yotes should and probably will bring up Strome, Dvorak and Perlini. Why Brad Boyes? Who could he replace?
- Gomey


They'd both be better than Duaphin or Richardson.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Aug 12 @ 8:20 AM ET
Still judging players soley on their HERO charts I see. Analytics are fine and all that but they really do not tell the whole story. You need to know the game a little bit too.
Having said that I still can't believe Tampa traded Deangelo to the Coyotes. I saw him play in Sarnia many times and he is a very dynamic talent. If someone gives him a chance he will be a great player. I can say the exact same sentence about Chychrun actually too. Somehow the Coyotes traded their way into 2 great dmen.

- Dcoms


Hero Charts are a handy visual tool for showing something easier than writing out a bunch of numbers, but just because I show one of them doesn't mean I didn't dig deeper into a players overall stats.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Aug 12 @ 8:22 AM ET
2 quick points....

First off, we see another typical 'Tanner Flip' in this post. Three weeks ago DeAngelo was a 'lock' to make the team two weeks ago 'DeAngelo has almost no shot to make the opening day roster' and now today....DeAngelo is back in there with a great shot to make the team.

My head swims reading this...what is it Tanner? Hello?

Secondly, Tanner's stats are applicable here in Fowler's case and frankly, they show me exactly what u would have expected to see watching him play. His 5v5 scoring was terrible last year and he kept being spoonfed the best PP minutes. In my opinion, Lumpy should have been getting those minutes.....hopefully Fowler moves on and we see Lumpy get the opportunity to bring his offensive contributions up to par with his defensive contributions.

- Dollars2Donuts



This job requires great and amazing patience. That's all I can really say. Please show me where I ever said anything about Deangalo being a 'lock'?

My theory: people don't read very closely and miss a lot of details.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 12 @ 9:39 AM ET
Hero chart says otherwise when compared to Fowler
- Garnie

Until you realize those charts show you the players designated role.
Dollars2Donuts
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.30.2015

Aug 12 @ 10:13 AM ET
This job requires great and amazing patience. That's all I can really say. Please show me where I ever said anything about Deangalo being a 'lock'?

My theory: people don't read very closely and miss a lot of details.

- James_Tanner


If I could go back a couple of weeks in your 'material' I could easily show you. Fortunately for you, you post enough that your older material becomes inaccessible very quickly. If there is one thing I do (and I wish I didn't) is pay attention to the detail in your writing.


Lato649
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 02.06.2012

Aug 12 @ 10:22 AM ET
Jake Gardiner provides elite-level defense?!? hahahaha, what colour is the sky in this world? How much do clothes cost in the Matrix? lol
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