Kucherov still isn't signed. When you gonna make the move, Hextall?

You didn't think the Weise deal was a little long at 4 years?

We've been on the Hextall bandwagon for two years and three drafts. I'm okay with being patient and I think they've drafted fairly well but this is year three. We should be seeing something different this season and I don't get the feeling they've planned that for us.

More fringe signings this off season, no apparent upgrades to the offense or D outside of the much ballyhooed "internal growth" and we're still up against the cap and riding contracts that are either too long or too expensive or both.

This was the season I thought we'd start to see some fruit from the Hextall reign. Not sure we're getting that. The only hope is Provorov.
- mayorofangrytown

Not really. Wiese can be a solid middle six presence with some offense and size. He's not too old, and he's been a solid guy.

Hextall is simply ensuring that he has solid vets to turn to if the kids aren't ready or Hextall feels they'd be better served with more developmental time.

Not really. Wiese can be a solid middle six presence with some offense and size. He's not too old, and he's been a solid guy.

Hextall is simply ensuring that he has solid vets to turn to if the kids aren't ready or Hextall feels they'd be better served with more developmental time.
- Jsaquella

In other words, patience, young grasshopper. I feel like the team is a bit ahead of where we thought, just simply because they surprisingly (to some) made the playoffs last season. I think Hexy is setting the team up to be good for the foreseeable future with the way he has been drafting.

Not really. Wiese can be a solid middle six presence with some offense and size. He's not too old, and he's been a solid guy.

Hextall is simply ensuring that he has solid vets to turn to if the kids aren't ready or Hextall feels they'd be better served with more developmental time.
- Jsaquella

We also need someone other than Wayne dropping them when necessary...we cant afford to have him off the ice due to too many fighting majors. I keep hearing all this "but the kids...", but other than Ghoul, none of them have that in their game. Maybe Cole B. does (o has the will to) but at this point that is an unknown.

Weise has good offensive numbers for a third line winger but outside of that, I don't get it.
- roenick97

I think that good offensive numbers for a third line winger is about all you need to justify his deal, personally. Maybe a year longer than I would have liked, but I don't see what's not to get.

We also need someone other than Wayne dropping them when necessary...we cant afford to have him off the ice due to too many fighting majors. I keep hearing all this "but the kids...", but other than Ghoul, none of them have that in their game. Maybe Cole B. does (o has the will to) but at this point that is an unknown.
- juiced

Raffl, Gudas, Manning, Weise can/will throw them. As for "the kids", I'm not sure if any of them can fight or not...







Also, fighting is such a diminished part of the game now that we don't need a Cote/Rinaldo type any more if they bring little more than sandpaper/fighting. If they can play a regular shift without being a liability, but happen to be able to bring that as well, them I have no problem.

Kucherov still isn't signed. When you gonna make the move, Hextall?
- Mononoke

On the other end of the scale, neither is Grossmann.

Raffl, Gudas, Manning, Weise can/will throw them. As for "the kids", I'm not sure if any of them can fight or not...







Also, fighting is such a diminished part of the game now that we don't need a Ghoul/Cote type any more.
- jmatchett383

him no fight, him useless....

Kucherov still isn't signed. When you gonna make the move, Hextall?
- Mononoke

Once we can convince Tampa Bay to take AMac so the salary cap works, I'm sure he'll get right on that.

You didn't think the Weise deal was a little long at 4 years?

We've been on the Hextall bandwagon for two years and three drafts. I'm okay with being patient and I think they've drafted fairly well but this is year three. We should be seeing something different this season and I don't get the feeling they've planned that for us.

More fringe signings this off season, no apparent upgrades to the offense or D outside of the much ballyhooed "internal growth" and we're still up against the cap and riding contracts that are either too long or too expensive or both.

This was the season I thought we'd start to see some fruit from the Hextall reign. Not sure we're getting that. The only hope is Provorov.
- mayorofangrytown

We already saw fruit from the Hextall reign last season when they were the 13th best team in the league under a rookie coach.

The only problem contract left is MacDonald. Pronger, Grossmann, Vinny, Hartnell and then Umberger were all moved out. I think it's particularly amusing you're worried about the Weise contract when he's the most likely guy to to be picked by Vegas in the ED.

Right after the hit.
- roenick97

So G was upset and never accepted the apology.... immediately following the hit?

That's alot to take from watching Giroux skate back to the bench with his head down.

We already saw fruit from the Hextall reign last season when they were the 13th best team in the league under a rookie coach.

The only problem contract left is MacDonald. Pronger, Grossmann, Vinny, Hartnell and then Umberger were all moved out. I think it's particularly amusing you're worried about the Weise contract when he's the most likely guy to to be picked by Vegas in the ED.
- Feanor

And even if he isn't, the deal is a movable deal if it doesn't work out down the line. Its not like Weise is 36 years old. He will be 32 at the END of the deal.

And even if he isn't, the deal is a movable deal if it doesn't work out down the line. Its not like Weise is 36 years old. He will be 32 at the END of the deal.
- MBFlyerfan

Overpiad
Old
Blow it up

And even if he isn't, the deal is a movable deal if it doesn't work out down the line. Its not like Weise is 36 years old. He will be 32 at the END of the deal.
- MBFlyerfan

High end of Weise, he comes in and score 15 goals and around 40 points playing in the middle six and on the 2nd PP.

Low end on Weise, he comes in and scores around 25 points with about 10 goals and is a significant upgrade on White.

The guy wasnt brought in to be an offensive force. He was brought in because he plays an honest hard working game. Thats the hexy model the more I watch him work.

Guys committed to playing hard working, system based two way hockey

High end of Weise, he comes in and score 15 goals and around 40 points playing in the middle six and on the 2nd PP.

Low end on Weise, he comes in and scores around 25 points with about 10 goals and is a significant upgrade on White.

The guy wasnt brought in to be an offensive force. He was brought in because he plays an honest hard working game. Thats the hexy model the more I watch him work.

Guys committed to playing hard working, system based two way hockey
- jak521

I think the signing of Weise and Gordon were designed to take some of the heavy lifting off G and Couturier. No guarantee that works out as planned, but I do think that is the plan. Cooter will always be the #1 PK option at forward. But if we can lessen his hard minutes at 5 on 5 and do the same with G by lessening his PK and get him more offensive zone starts, then it will go well.

I think the signing of Weise and Gordon were designed to take some of the heavy lifting off G and Couturier. No guarantee that works out as planned, but I do think that is the plan. Cooter will always be the #1 PK option at forward. But if we can lessen his hard minutes at 5 on 5 and do the same with G by lessening his PK and get him more offensive zone starts, then it will go well.
- MBFlyerfan

I see it that way as well, but I still think they will go to G and Couts when its down to the final minutes and stuff like that.

The idea that Hexy seems to have (at least to me), is that you need to have versatility throughout the lineup.

We could have signed Gagner. We could have reached out to a Teddy Purcell. He chose Weise because even when he isnt scoring, he still has a palpable effect on the game.

Thats the way todays game is trending. Its also why I was ecstatic with the pick of Rubtsov and the addition of Laberge. This club has a very bright future just a head of them.

High end of Weise, he comes in and score 15 goals and around 40 points playing in the middle six and on the 2nd PP.

Low end on Weise, he comes in and scores around 25 points with about 10 goals and is a significant upgrade on White.

The guy wasnt brought in to be an offensive force. He was brought in because he plays an honest hard working game. Thats the hexy model the more I watch him work.

Guys committed to playing hard working, system based two way hockey
- jak521

Dunno, think your range is a bit off there... guy's never broken 30 pts before in the league, despite spending a lot of time with players like Pacioretty, Subban, Markov and Desharnais in MTL.

This year, he's gonna be playing with who... Cousins/Read/Bellemare/Gordon/VDV?

Breaking 20-pts might be a challenge for him. Worst case, we're looking at the numbers he put up in Chicago and Vancouver.

I don't hate the guy, and he's an upgrade over Ryan White (lol), but instead of going after (and paying) one of the best 4th-liners in the league, it might have been smarter to grab one of the many 3rd-line leftovers for a fraction and tasked them with the 3rd/4th tweener role.

I see it that way as well, but I still think they will go to G and Couts when its down to the final minutes and stuff like that.

The idea that Hexy seems to have (at least to me), is that you need to have versatility throughout the lineup.

We could have signed Gagner. We could have reached out to a Teddy Purcell. He chose Weise because even when he isnt scoring, he still has a palpable effect on the game.

Thats the way todays game is trending. Its also why I was ecstatic with the pick of Rubtsov and the addition of Laberge. This club has a very bright future just a head of them.
- jak521

Agreed, and they will be fresher for those situations.

Dunno, think your range is a bit off there... guy's never broken 30 pts before in the league, despite spending a lot of time with players like Pacioretty, Subban, Markov and Desharnais in MTL.

This year, he's gonna be playing with who... Cousins/Read/Bellemare/Gordon/VDV?

Breaking 20-pts might be a challenge for him. Worst case, we're looking at the numbers he put up in Chicago and Vancouver.

I don't hate the guy, and he's an upgrade over Ryan White (lol), but instead of going after (and paying) one of the best 4th-liners in the league, it might have been smarter to grab one of the many 3rd-line leftovers for a fraction and tasked them with the 3rd/4th tweener role.
- Tomahawk

I think it depends on how they use him.
i dont think he is a 4th liner. So time with VDV Gordon and Bellemare wont happen IMO.

If he is on a line with Laughton/Raffl and Cousins he could easily reach the numbers I touched on while playing on the 2nd PP unit.

Also, what 3rd liners would you have gone after instead of Weise?

We also need someone other than Wayne dropping them when necessary...we cant afford to have him off the ice due to too many fighting majors. I keep hearing all this "but the kids...", but other than Ghoul, none of them have that in their game. Maybe Cole B. does (o has the will to) but at this point that is an unknown.
- juiced

Well, I'm pretty sure that Morin can take care of himself when he needs to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVe0DW7e1c


edit: dammit, late again!

I see Weise here to slide between the bottom 3 lines. Provide tough minutes for the opposition. And chip in some supplemental scoring, not a lot but enough to help.

I like his game for that role and the money ain't totally bad. Even if Vegas doesn't get him in the expansion draft it's not a drag on the team for the future. It just means that someone else *cough* Read *cough* is gone when his deal ends.

Dunno, think your range is a bit off there... guy's never broken 30 pts before in the league, despite spending a lot of time with players like Pacioretty, Subban, Markov and Desharnais in MTL.

This year, he's gonna be playing with who... Cousins/Read/Bellemare/Gordon/VDV?

Breaking 20-pts might be a challenge for him. Worst case, we're looking at the numbers he put up in Chicago and Vancouver.

I don't hate the guy, and he's an upgrade over Ryan White (lol), but instead of going after (and paying) one of the best 4th-liners in the league, it might have been smarter to grab one of the many 3rd-line leftovers for a fraction and tasked them with the 3rd/4th tweener role.
- Tomahawk

If he's a 4th liner then so is Raffl. Their career best seasons are 29 points in 79 games versus 31 points in 82 games.

Well, I'm pretty sure that Morin can take care of himself when he needs to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVe0DW7e1c


edit: dammit, late again!

- BiggE

GOTCHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dunno, think your range is a bit off there... guy's never broken 30 pts before in the league, despite spending a lot of time with players like Pacioretty, Subban, Markov and Desharnais in MTL.

This year, he's gonna be playing with who... Cousins/Read/Bellemare/Gordon/VDV?

Breaking 20-pts might be a challenge for him. Worst case, we're looking at the numbers he put up in Chicago and Vancouver.

I don't hate the guy, and he's an upgrade over Ryan White (lol), but instead of going after (and paying) one of the best 4th-liners in the league, it might have been smarter to grab one of the many 3rd-line leftovers for a fraction and tasked them with the 3rd/4th tweener role.
- Tomahawk

Weise is not a 4th line player, he is a 3rd line player.

Weise is not a 4th line player, he is a 3rd line player.
- MJL

If Weise ends up on the 4th line some kids killed it at camp and Hextall is going to have some real fun.