Looking at the top 6 of Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn and Couturier, it's probably safe to say we're not gonna make a move, I'm looking forward to the compitition for that last top 6 spot. I don't think Konecny should make the team but in the mix of Konecny, Read, Raffl and Laughton, I'm looking forward to camp.
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How about John Stevens getting another chance? Young team in Colorado, and Stevens came off to me as a coach who's good with young players. - BaronVonShiznit
He will get another chance. Sutter is not long for being behind the bench in LA. Stevens has been waiting patiently for that job, and it's all but his when Sutter retires.
Looking at the top 6 of Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn and Couturier, it's probably safe to say we're not gonna make a move, I'm looking forward to the compitition for that last top 6 spot. I don't think Konecny should make the team but in the mix of Konecny, Read, Raffl and Laughton, I'm looking forward to camp. - roenick97
I don't know if they'll make a move, but I think that Hextall has been actively looking to add offense to the team, all Summer.
I don't know if they'll make a move, but I think that Hextall has been actively looking to add offense to the team, all Summer. - MJL
I hope this is the case. No disrespect to Read, Raffl, Laughton or Konecny but there is nothing wrong with adding from outside. Something a little more promising for right now.
I dislike Chris Vandevalde and Brandon Manning so much. - roenick97
It's hard to justify their spots with all the kids in the pipeline. Sort of like Wiese's 4 year contract. I may love the guy but ponying up 4 years with all these guys in the minors is tough. I could very well be wrong minded but I'd rather Leier was in his spot.
I would think Mellanby and/or Pelle Eklund for sure, maybe Kerry Huffman (very highly regarded and projected at that time to be an NHL impact defenseman), first-round draft picks and a lot of cash. - bmeltzer
Looking at the Oilers final deal : Gretzky, Krushelnyski & McSorley for Carson, Gelinas 3 1st rounders and $15mm, My guess was something along these lines:
Zezel, Eklund, Mellanby, Huffman, 2 1st rounders and $12-15mm. Carson was a highly prolific scoring player who was young. I think the Oilers would have wanted more than just Eklund. I think Mellanby and Huffman would have been definites, after Seabrooke's injury woes, they were the top two Flyer prospects.
It's hard to justify their spots with all the kids in the pipeline. Sort of like Wiese's 4 year contract. I may love the guy but ponying up 4 years with all these guys in the minors is tough. I could very well be wrong minded but I'd rather Leier was in his spot. - mayorofangrytown
Most of the bottom six guys are signed to fairly cheap deals and can play if the kids aren't ready. Hextall's said and shown that he's not just going to play a kid just because the fans want him to do so.
That said, if a kid grabs a job, the VandeVeldes, Bellemares and Mannings can easily be sent to the AHL or dealt for late round picks. All Hexy is doing is making sure he doesn't have to rely on a kid.
It's hard to justify their spots with all the kids in the pipeline. Sort of like Wiese's 4 year contract. I may love the guy but ponying up 4 years with all these guys in the minors is tough. I could very well be wrong minded but I'd rather Leier was in his spot. - mayorofangrytown
Weise has good offensive numbers for a third line winger but outside of that, I don't get it.
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I could see Vegas being intrigued by taking Weise in expansion. Very affordable 3rd liner w/ size on a 3 year deal in his prime? It might be the perfect balance of short term gain and medium term gain they'd like to get from the pick. Selecting a player with affordable term is something an expansion team would covet. Say they leave out Read, Cousins, Weise...I think Weise is good bait to prevent them from taking Cousins.
Most of the bottom six guys are signed to fairly cheap deals and can play if the kids aren't ready. Hextall's said and shown that he's not just going to play a kid just because the fans want him to do so.
That said, if a kid grabs a job, the VandeVeldes, Bellemares and Mannings can easily be sent to the AHL or dealt for late round picks. All Hexy is doing is making sure he doesn't have to rely on a kid. - Jsaquella
You didn't think the Weise deal was a little long at 4 years?
We've been on the Hextall bandwagon for two years and three drafts. I'm okay with being patient and I think they've drafted fairly well but this is year three. We should be seeing something different this season and I don't get the feeling they've planned that for us.
More fringe signings this off season, no apparent upgrades to the offense or D outside of the much ballyhooed "internal growth" and we're still up against the cap and riding contracts that are either too long or too expensive or both.
This was the season I thought we'd start to see some fruit from the Hextall reign. Not sure we're getting that. The only hope is Provorov.
It's hard to justify their spots with all the kids in the pipeline. Sort of like Wiese's 4 year contract. I may love the guy but ponying up 4 years with all these guys in the minors is tough. I could very well be wrong minded but I'd rather Leier was in his spot. - mayorofangrytown
We don't even know if Leier is an NHL player, or ever will be one. Part of a GM's job is to improve the team. I think he did that by adding Weise. I have no issue with 4 years, because unless his play falls off a cliff, he's a player that won't be difficult to move in a couple of years if they need to. I don't see much, if any risk in that contract.
You didn't think the Weise deal was a little long at 4 years?
We've been on the Hextall bandwagon for two years and three drafts. I'm okay with being patient and I think they've drafted fairly well but this is year three. We should be seeing something different this season and I don't get the feeling they've planned that for us.
More fringe signings this off season, no apparent upgrades to the offense or D outside of the much ballyhooed "internal growth" and we're still up against the cap and riding contracts that are either too long or too expensive or both.
This was the season I thought we'd start to see some fruit from the Hextall reign. Not sure we're getting that. The only hope is Provorov. - mayorofangrytown
The Flyers have over 1M in available cap space going into the season, and that's with 14 forwards. Their future cap situation is also solid. As far as internal growth, not many gave the Flyers a chance to make the playoffs last season, yet they did. This seems more of the same, in writing them off before they play a single game. How is making the playoffs last season, not a sign of growth? Why would we have wanted Hextall to make bigger and more expensive signings at this point of the retooling? In my opinion, Hextall is approaching this exactly as he should. Adding low cost, low risk support players to improve some areas, so he's not forced to rush any kids, or play them in roles they're not ready for.
The Flyers have over 1M in available cap space going into the season, and that's with 14 forwards. Their future cap situation is also solid. As far as internal growth, not many gave the Flyers a chance to make the playoffs last season, yet they did. This seems more of the same, in writing them off before they play a single game. How is making the playoffs last season, not a sign of growth? Why would we have wanted Hextall to make bigger and more expensive signings at this point of the retooling? In my opinion, Hextall is approaching this exactly as he should. Adding low cost, low risk support players to improve some areas, so he's not forced to rush any kids, or play them in roles they're not ready for. - MJL
I have no problem with anyone who questions the good, the bad and the ugly moves this team makes. Ryan White for example was a low risk player and instead standing firm with a player we know pretty well, we went else where. Some like the moves, others not so much. Weise is in the middle in terms of low risk in my opinion. Four years for a bottom 6 player. I have no doubt he might be really good for us. I expect secobd unit PP from Weise, third line and I have no idea if he kills penalties but if he does, all the better. With this said, I hope Hextall is sure he's what we're looking for and not another Umberger.
I have no problem with anyone who questions the good, the bad and the ugly moves this team makes. Ryan White for example was a low risk player and instead standing firm with a player we know pretty well, we went else where. Some like the moves, others not so much. Weise is in the middle in terms of low risk in my opinion. Four years for a bottom 6 player. I have no doubt he might be really good for us. I expect secobd unit PP from Weise, third line and I have no idea if he kills penalties but if he does, all the better. With this said, I hope Hextall is sure he's what we're looking for and not another Umberger. - roenick97
I don't know for a fact, but I think Hextall tried to resign White, but maybe Hextall didn't want to pay White 1M. I think Gordon is a better fit for what they need.
I could see Vegas being intrigued by taking Weise in expansion. Very affordable 3rd liner w/ size on a 3 year deal in his prime? It might be the perfect balance of short term gain and medium term gain they'd like to get from the pick. Selecting a player with affordable term is something an expansion team would covet. Say they leave out Read, Cousins, Weise...I think Weise is good bait to prevent them from taking Cousins. - Mononoke
I don't think it's possible to say at this point. Will depend how each of them play
