- Feds91Stammer

Step 1: Look like the green tea
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit.

I believe we may have unearthed some sort of pop star cult here.
- Mr.Bobby

It is confirmed that this pop star phenomenon is the reason the coyotes rebranded from Phoenix to Arizona.

Step 1: Look like the green tea
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit.
- SolidGoldBricks

Top 5 women dressed as Arizona green tea?

LOL this is a real thing?

http://photoshuts.blogspo...-rihanna-wearing-all.html

LOL this is a real thing?

http://photoshuts.blogspo...-rihanna-wearing-all.html
- Feds91Stammer

If she breaks out this dress it's a for sure sign of the Illuminati

If she breaks out this dress it's a for sure sign of the Illuminati


- Mr.Bobby

Apocalypse soon to follow.

How is it possible that Duncan Keith only shows up on one of these lists? Are you guys kidding LOL

How is it possible that Duncan Keith only shows up on one of these lists? Are you guys kidding LOL
- JKSoule

Why does everyone have to cry when their guy isn't there?

He's getting up there in age. 2 years ago, he may have been called the best Dman in the league. He's borderline top 5, still, to most. It's not a surprise some may not consider him within the top 5.

Everyone knows he's still a great dman. top 5 is a pretty exclusive, small group.

How is it possible that Duncan Keith only shows up on one of these lists? Are you guys kidding LOL
- JKSoule

nope. he is getting old and worse. the other people are ahead of him/getting ahead of him.

Only people who praise Pk over Weber are analytics nerds, online bloggers and fans, and the media. Too bad most NHL coaches, GM's, and players would take Weber on their team. But hey I'll listen to a bunch of armchair experts that look at a graph.
- maxbart5

This is like saying "well, Chevy said they sell way more Camaros than Corvettes, but me and some other people, who know nothing about the sales, like Corvettes. So therefore Corvettes are obviously better and more popular".
That "graph" is evidence that Subban is better. Every measurable statistic shows Subban is better, and in Weber's defence, those same statistics show Weber as probably the best dman in hockey as of 2011. This isnt 2011, and Weber isnt very good at 5 on 5 anymore. If you ignore the evidence (like Subban's superior numbers, Weber's steady decline in defensive play, or Nashville moving Weber out for Subban in the midst of gearing up for a cup run), then yes, Weber is better. But the reality is that the numbers never lie, and Subban is better.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Top-5 Defensemen In The NHL?
- ToddCordellVAN

TOP 5 D men in 2016/17

1) Erik Karlsson ( my boy! )

2) Brent Burns

3) Drew Daughty

4) Victor Hedman

5) Duncan Keith

6) Roman Josi

This is like saying "well, Chevy said they sell way more Camaros than Corvettes, but me and some other people, who know nothing about the sales, like Corvettes. So therefore Corvettes are obviously better and more popular".
That "graph" is evidence that Subban is better. Every measurable statistic shows Subban is better, and in Weber's defence, those same statistics show Weber as probably the best dman in hockey as of 2011. This isnt 2011, and Weber isnt very good at 5 on 5 anymore. If you ignore the evidence (like Subban's superior numbers, Weber's steady decline in defensive play, or Nashville moving Weber out for Subban in the midst of gearing up for a cup run), then yes, Weber is better. But the reality is that the numbers never lie, and Subban is better.
- Rexypoo

But hits and #gritness. You mentioned none of the #gritness. You're argument is invalid.

TOP 5 D men in 2016/17

1) Erik Karlsson ( my boy! )

2) Brent Burns

3) Drew Daughty

4) Roman Josi

5) Duncan Keith
- Erik6Karlsson5

Hedman is better than 4 out of the 5 guys that you listed...

Hedman is better than 4 out of the 5 guys that you listed...
- lumlums

100% agree

Hedman is better than 4 out of the 5 guys that you listed...
- lumlums

Totally agree, my bad.. List has been edited

100% agree
- martox

I think that people who don't see him often miss just how good he is. And for all of the back and forth between JT and others here, OEL is a definite top five too....

I think that people who don't see him often miss just how good he is. And for all of the back and forth between JT and others here, OEL is a definite top five too....
- lumlums

have to thank lidström for all these swedish defensemen just wish sweden could get some good forwards for once miss the days of sundin, forsberg, naslund and young sedins.

have to thank lidström for all these swedish defensemen just wish sweden could get some good forwards for once miss the days of sundin, forsberg, naslund and young sedins.
- martox

Yeah, there's not many like them anymore. The Sedin's were great, and there's a couple of good youngsters like Forsberg, Nylander x 2 and Wennberg, but depth is a bit of an issue.

are you Barrie's mom?
- jimbro83

No he's his de facto, although I'm not sure who takes out the garbage??

Nice avi, currently listening to a Mikael Akerfeldt song called Roads, you should check it out, it's a slow one.

I like Subban a lot and I think he is often unfairly dismissed but I don't really see how anyone could rank Subban ahead of Burns after last season.
- RonPielep

Burns had a great year. However, it can be argued that team Canada left off 2 of its 3 best d men from the world cup roster in Subban and Letang. (Doughty being the other)... Both are better then Muzzin and Burns, and arguably Keith at this point in there careers.

How is it possible that Duncan Keith only shows up on one of these lists? Are you guys kidding LOL
- JKSoule

Tomorrows list of;'players that take swings at other players faces with their sticks' he apparently is rated at the very top - such an honour! (although JJ for once in his life left a Hawks player 'off' his list??? ).

Tomorrows list of;'players that take swings at other players faces with their sticks' he apparently is rated at the very top - such an honour! (although JJ for once in his life left a Hawks player 'off' his list??? ).
- Aussiepenguin

Haha dude we Penguins fans can't make jokes about that.

Tomorrows list of;'players that take swings at other players faces with their sticks' he apparently is rated at the very top - such an honour! (although JJ for once in his life left a Hawks player 'off' his list??? ).
- Aussiepenguin

1. Doughty

2. Karlsson

3. Hedman

4. Gardiner ( )

5. OEL

6. Keith

Some of this is system based. Would doughty look nearly as good in any other system? Would karlsson or Letang being able to function in the Kings system where there creativity wouldn't mesh with the structure? I don't think the pens or kings could win a trade where they swap their 1D. You could probably plug a Shea Webber into the Kings and they would still have the 1d they need even though he's a lesser player.