But JayBo is not worth his money, so where does that really leave Shatty. i think with the overpayment of players around 5.5 he will get paid from some other team probably too much around maybe 6.5 - 7
- BluesDroogie

Is that really true? And the Blues having tried to trade Shatty for two years is ridiculous. It was Parayko's ascension plus Bortuzzo showing capability as a number three with potential growth that has made the need for Shattenkirk unnecessary only depending on how the cap situation looks.

We give JayBo a hard time but he seems pretty effective and effective enough to get named to team Canada again. He is getting older and he has shown some skating issues lately we have not seen. That said many teams wish they had him.

I do not get your negativity for these players always. I get it after a game when they suck.

They have already started negotiating with Steen. Steen is deciding of his value and what he would like more, term or per year money.

Rob brings up a good point. I think Armstrong does not like the market and the value of Shatty remaining with the team currently is greater than moving him even if you assume he walks after the year.

The forward ranks are not bad though there are too many left wingers versus right wngers. More questions come from center and lw playing their off wing. So now Berglund who always played center gets moved to lw and now will be moved to rw.

Is that really true? And the Blues having tried to trade Shatty for two years is ridiculous. It was Parayko's ascension plus Bortuzzo showing capability as a number three with potential growth that has made the need for Shattenkirk unnecessary only depending on how the cap situation looks.

We give JayBo a hard time but he seems pretty effective and effective enough to get named to team Canada again. He is getting older and he has shown some skating issues lately we have not seen. That said many teams wish they had him.

I do not get your negativity for these players always. I get it after a game when they suck.

They have already started negotiating with Steen. Steen is deciding of his value and what he would like more, term or per year money.

Rob brings up a good point. I think Armstrong does not like the market and the value of Shatty remaining with the team currently is greater than moving him even if you assume he walks after the year.

The forward ranks are not bad though there are too many left wingers versus right wngers. More questions come from center and lw playing their off wing. So now Berglund who always played center gets moved to lw and now will be moved to rw.
- BluemanGuruu

We have seen JayBo's decline and its not great. A top 4 still but we use him an a 1 or 2. there in lies my problem with him. Him on a 2nd unit makes more sense. We currently do not have the player that has the capabilities to fill in the minutes he currently plays. Shattenkirk, i really like. But if trading him now and getting Parayko more ice time to mature for a few years, i would do it. They are both 2nd line d men that play the same side. I choose a younger and i think more talented Parayko over Shattenkirk. I would love for the Blues to have a lefty d man for the 1st unit instead of JayBo but isn't that what every team in the league is looking for.

Lots of negativity just for the fact its summer, and i've been a fan for 26+ years and every season ends the same way. In disappointment. Players try but to also bring back Hitch for 1 year and have his replacement already on the bench perplexes me. i Feel we will all be very disappointed this season as players will tune Hitch out and listen to Yeo(who i do not want as our coach)

Not a good year to be a Blues fan until i am proved otherwise.

Still will be a die hard Blues fanatic. Just not liking the hopes for this season.

I don't like Army plain and simple. I think he has not done a good job.

Hopefully Steen resigns, we need him. He is integral to our team. I like Berglund but his time has come to leave. Do we trade him or watch him walk?

Armstrong has not pulled the trigger on the trade because he values Shatty very highly and other teams want to undercut us on the return. I am glad he is not getting screwed again on a trade. We can use him for another season and will probably let him walk as a ufa at the end. Thats the only thing i don't like but if we have a good shot at the cup then i want him to stay as he does help us out

I need hockey.

Jaybo might not be worth 5.8 but he is very underrated by blues fans

Imagine any one of our other LHD up with Pietro and it would be UGLY

Shattenkirk is way overpaid at $7 million

he is average defensively IMO but above average to elite offensively

$5.8-6 million tops

I need hockey.


- carcus

World cup starts up in like two weeks right

Just stink they have moved the season back a week due to the WC

Jaybo might not be worth 5.8 but he is very underrated by blues fans

Imagine any one of our other LHD up with Pietro and it would be UGLY

Shattenkirk is way overpaid at $7 million

he is average defensively IMO but above average to elite offensively

$5.8-6 million tops
- sycsam

I think JBo will be much better this year. Health was a big issue with his play last year IMO.

I wish one of Petro, Shattenkirk, or Parayko could play his off side. I would really like to see those 3 and JBo as your top 2 units for the next few years.

Shattenkirk is a big part of the power play success. Without him, we struggle. I can deal with his average defense if he does what he has offensively.

Petro move to the left side and play with Shattenkirk, and have JBo and Parayko play the second pair. Gets Shattenkirk 1st line responsibilty that he wants, gets JBo to the second pairing which would likely help him, and gets Parayko on second line RD where he belongs right now.

I bet Petro could handle it and handle it well. And solves other issues. Done.

Jaybo might not be worth 5.8 but he is very underrated by blues fans

Imagine any one of our other LHD up with Pietro and it would be UGLY

Shattenkirk is way overpaid at $7 million

he is average defensively IMO but above average to elite offensively

$5.8-6 million tops
- sycsam

Actually JayBo plays better with anyone other than Petro and in many cases the same for Petro. Petro and what's his face looked good lining up together.

Not to worry n the left handed d front though as replacements are coming. The Blues are stacked with defensive prospects. In fact this is why they can ultimately afford to move a player like Shattenkirk.

But Armstrong is smart in waiting. The ther gms have the pretense of leverage when he actually holds it. When the games starting getting played and teams like Boston start sucking then their desperation opens up the treasure chest.

I think JBo will be much better this year. Health was a big issue with his play last year IMO.

I wish one of Petro, Shattenkirk, or Parayko could play his off side. I would really like to see those 3 and JBo as your top 2 units for the next few years.

Shattenkirk is a big part of the power play success. Without him, we struggle. I can deal with his average defense if he does what he has offensively.

Petro move to the left side and play with Shattenkirk, and have JBo and Parayko play the second pair. Gets Shattenkirk 1st line responsibilty that he wants, gets JBo to the second pairing which would likely help him, and gets Parayko on second line RD where he belongs right now.

I bet Petro could handle it and handle it well. And solves other issues. Done.
- carcus

If only. I think it makes Petro less effective and the way he plays would cause him to be in vulnerable spots for hits in the corner of his defense when retrievng pucks.

I think JBo will be much better this year. Health was a big issue with his play last year IMO.

I wish one of Petro, Shattenkirk, or Parayko could play his off side. I would really like to see those 3 and JBo as your top 2 units for the next few years.

Shattenkirk is a big part of the power play success. Without him, we struggle. I can deal with his average defense if he does what he has offensively.

Petro move to the left side and play with Shattenkirk, and have JBo and Parayko play the second pair. Gets Shattenkirk 1st line responsibilty that he wants, gets JBo to the second pairing which would likely help him, and gets Parayko on second line RD where he belongs right now.

I bet Petro could handle it and handle it well. And solves other issues. Done.
- carcus

That sounds ideal but doubtful to happen

I think that might work on the PP and PK but not necessarily 5v5

That sounds ideal but doubtful to happen

I think that might work on the PP and PK but not necessarily 5v5
- sycsam

That is my feeling.

Jammer are you stuck in a tree?

Mike Weber on a pto. ahas some bad underlying numbers but I remember liking what I saw in a few games. But only a few games so could have seen him at his best and not at his normal.

That is my feeling.

Jammer are you stuck in a tree?

Mike Weber on a pto. ahas some bad underlying numbers but I remember liking what I saw in a few games. But only a few games so could have seen him at his best and not at his normal.
- BluemanGuruu

So i did a quick search and from what i saw we signed Weber to a pto on Aug. 24th???

Nothing on prohockeytalk or on the Blues site about this at all. never saw it on nhl.com either. It can't hurt to get a look at him especially with the rumors of Shatty being traded. Who knows if he ever will…….

I know nothing of Weber as he has spent his entire career in the east and all but 10 games with the Sabres. I am guessing at best a 2nd line d? He has size and is a lefty.

Just weird that this is the first i am hearing of it and it took place a week ago.

Oh well

So i did a quick search and from what i saw we signed Weber to a pto on Aug. 24th???

Nothing on prohockeytalk or on the Blues site about this at all. never saw it on nhl.com either. It can't hurt to get a look at him especially with the rumors of Shatty being traded. Who knows if he ever will…….

I know nothing of Weber as he has spent his entire career in the east and all but 10 games with the Sabres. I am guessing at best a 2nd line d? He has size and is a lefty.

Just weird that this is the first i am hearing of it and it took place a week ago.

Oh well
- BluesDroogie

He is a much worse version of Jax IMO

He is not a good skater

he is not a good defender

He cant shoot that well

He clears the front of the net and goes after guys in a physical manner

That's what he does

Someone can correct me if I am way off but Mike Weber is light years behind any rookie we would want to bring up this year

He is a much worse version of Jax IMO

He is not a good skater

he is not a good defender

He cant shoot that well

He clears the front of the net and goes after guys in a physical manner

That's what he does

Someone can correct me if I am way off but Mike Weber is light years behind any rookie we would want to bring up this year
- sycsam

Essentially they are just filling in the training camp roster to try and keep it competitive for the first couple of weeks with the World Cup thingy going on.

He is a much worse version of Jax IMO

He is not a good skater

he is not a good defender

He cant shoot that well

He clears the front of the net and goes after guys in a physical manner

That's what he does

Someone can correct me if I am way off but Mike Weber is light years behind any rookie we would want to bring up this year
- sycsam

Wow, sounds like a complete turd. I guess he has to be with the Sabres and Capitals not willing to resign the guy.

Thanks.


Can it be October yet, i'm DYIN ova heeuh

He is a much worse version of Jax IMO

He is not a good skater

he is not a good defender

He cant shoot that well

He clears the front of the net and goes after guys in a physical manner

That's what he does

Someone can correct me if I am way off but Mike Weber is light years behind any rookie we would want to bring up this year
- sycsam

This is prett accurate. But I have seen him play well so I would not crap on him too much.

He is there as back up and to force competition most likely. As LD he is nt there in case the Blues trade Shatty which does not look likely any longer, at least, in the near future.

Wow, sounds like a complete turd. I guess he has to be with the Sabres and Capitals not willing to resign the guy.

Thanks.


Can it be October yet, i'm DYIN ova heeuh
- BluesDroogie

Hockey starts sooner than that with the World Cup and its strangeness.

Hockey starts sooner than that with the World Cup and its strangeness.
- BluemanGuruu

I don't have tv yet. So i won't be able to watch any of it unless i figure out how to stream it live(which won't happen)

Tv will be back in early october for the reg season