So my question is....

Is Cam Fowler not an upgrade?

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Just a guess.
- underhill14

I have truly always enjoyed your posts.
You seem to contribute some insightful observations.
Just saying...

Exclusivity here on this thread?
Clique with no shtick brother.
- Nighthawk

not at all - just stating the obvious.

So my question is....

Is Cam Fowler not an upgrade?
- Nighthawk

no

not at all - just stating the obvious.
- winsix

No u r not.

U r avoiding the post though.

Interesting as I have also liked leivo but I think wedgewood is going to be the better player (not that pieces wouldn't or couldn't be included on both sides or that either player will be stars).
- blizzzard

Between wedgewood and kinkaid, I feel like there is a trade with the Leafs and Devils to be made.

What is Fowler worth then?

Would he not be a key piece as a top 2 D?

Fowler for JVR straight up would be wise.
Larsson fetched Hall.
D don't come cheap.

Building from the goal out would move the rebuild along faster.
Also fits LL's MO.
- Nighthawk

Lou also doesn't overpay in trades.

Probably better off waiting until closer to the expansion draft to see if prices for dmen come down.

No u r not.

U r avoiding the post though.
- Nighthawk

I gave you an answer, it is not an upgrade. I'll be more specific then:

Name the LW's in the NHL that are irrefutably better than JVR

Now Name the d-man that are irrefutably better than Fowler.

One list is much longer than the other and will give your desired specific response.

Lou also doesn't overpay in trades.

Probably better off waiting until closer to the expansion draft to see if prices for dmen come down.
- Tumbleweed

I hearya but Top D r not available often.

I gave you an answer, it is not an upgrade. I'll be more specific then:

Name the LW's in the NHL that are irrefutably better than JVR

Now Name the d-man that are irrefutably better than Fowler.

One list is much longer than the other and will give your desired specific response.
- winsix

My answer is...

Reilly is your only top 2 D.
None in the system.
Keep JVR is fine. Hall is better.
Fowler is as advertised at a good contract also.
Give to get or stand pat cuz top D don't grow on trees.

I have truly always enjoyed your posts.
You seem to contribute some insightful observations.
Just saying...
- clintyboy

My answer is...

Reilly is your only top 2 D.
None in the system.
Keep JVR is fine. Hall is better.
Fowler is as advertised at a good contract also.
- Nighthawk

Now you are avoiding my questions.

Name the LW's in the NHL that are irrefutably better than JVR?
Name the D-men in the NHL that are irrefutably better than Fowler?

Not a trade a good GM makes.

I will start by saying I do NOT want to trade JVR. However, I do think we really need a partner for Reilly now...not 4 years from now.

So, does anyone think that if for some reason we get the Vesey kid that then JVR for Fowler, or maybe Trouba, makes sense?

Now you are avoiding my questions.

Name the LW's in the NHL that are irrefutably better than JVR?
Name the D-men in the NHL that are irrefutably better than Fowler?

Not a trade a good GM makes.
- winsix

Hall

Karlsson

I will start by saying I do NOT want to trade JVR. However, I do think we really need a partner for Reilly now...not 4 years from now.

So, does anyone think that if for some reason we get the Vesey kid that then JVR for Fowler, or maybe Trouba, makes sense?
- underhill14

Getting a Fowler or Trouba makes sense yes.
Idk if Troubas contract demands make sense though.
Years of solid D will go farther.
Vesey has proven nothing yet but allows flexibility.
Wouldn't ordain him just yet.

Fowler for JVR straight up would be wise.
Larsson fetched Hall.
D don't come cheap.

Building from the goal out would move the rebuild along faster.
Also fits LL's MO.
- Nighthawk

Building from the goal out is one of those catchphrases that really doesn't mean much. Most often rebuilding teams with very high picks actually go for the top centre and build back.

More importantly though, there's no need to move anything along faster. Patience.

Why does everyone want to trade JVR? He is our only 'bonafide' 1st line player.

Building from the goal out is one of those catchphrases that really doesn't mean much. Most often rebuilding teams with very high picks actually go for the top centre and build back.

More importantly though, there's no need to move anything along faster. Patience.
- Zezel

Top C drafted.
Top D ala goal out is no catchphrase.
Don't have them u don't go far.
Top 2 D always have been in demand along with a 1C.

Hall

Karlsson
- Nighthawk

Your answer is nonsense - the correct response would be that there are perhaps 12 to 16 LW in the NHL that could be considered better than JVR.

In contrast there are likely 40 d-man plus that are superior to Fowler.

Why does everyone want to trade JVR? He is our only 'bonafide' 1st line player.
- Bower

Yeah I can't figure that one out either. People seem to think that they just need to use JVR to plug in a dman and bingo bango the rebuild is complete. Seem to forget Matthews, Marner and Nylander are all rookies.

Your answer is nonsense - the correct response would be that there are perhaps 12 to 16 LW in the NHL that could be considered better than JVR.

In contrast there are likely 40 d-man plus that are superior to Fowler.
- winsix

Arguementative much?

1 is enough not a littany list to humour u.

Name these 40?
This oughta be a laugh.

Top C drafted.
Top D ala goal out is no catchphrase.
Don't have them u don't go far.
Top 2 D always have been in demand along with a 1C.
- Nighthawk

Sure, but building from the back end out is meaningless in practice. It's the kind of thing Burke and Nonis like to say. In reality teams get the best players they can and then try to get more good players. It doesn't sound catchy, but it's true.

Yeah I can't figure that one out either. People seem to think that they just need to use JVR to plug in a dman and bingo bango the rebuild is complete. Seem to forget Matthews, Marner and Nylander are all rookies.
- Zezel

Keeping JVR is fine.
Trading him for a top D is only a discussion not an answer to complete the rebuild.
Much work to do yet.

Why does everyone want to trade JVR? He is our only 'bonafide' 1st line player.
- Bower

because after Rielly we have no legitimate top-4 D, and not much that looks exciting in the system, whereas we have a number of young talented forwards (even if only 1 or 2 all-stars).

Nighthawk is not trolling. We may not agree with his opinion but it really isn't a troll and he is right about the market for D.